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Old 03-06-2012, 03:22 PM  
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Romney wins Ohio.
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Old 03-06-2012, 10:40 PM   #76
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What's the projected delegate count at this point?
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Old 03-06-2012, 10:45 PM   #77
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The only reason you support Romney is because you think he can beat Obama. Despite outspending a guy 10X1 and reinventing himself literally 3 different times throughout his political career he still can't beat Santorum. You probably voted for John McCain too. Please spare us your unfunny Ron Paul jokes you clearly have no idea how to beat Obama.
Ron Paul will get his clock cleaned by Obama. You want to talk about not winning a party. The Republican party is his base. This is not Romney's base.

I imagine plenty of Paul supporters will write Paul's name in in the general election. But you'd have to be absolutely crazy to think that the majority of Santorum and Gingrich supporters won't vote for Romney, simply because he's not Obama.

If Romney secures the nomination and all the other candidates leave the picture, you're going to see a very significant swing in the federal polling in Romney's favor. I don't think any of the other candidates will budge because they're not going to get any appeal from moderates.
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Old 03-06-2012, 10:46 PM   #78
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I, too, think Romney has much more potential in the general than he does in the primaries.

Which he'll inevitably squander as it becomes evident he's just too far removed from the average American.
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Old 03-06-2012, 10:47 PM   #79
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Old 03-06-2012, 10:55 PM   #80
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If Romney secures the nomination and all the other candidates leave the picture, you're going to see a very significant swing in the federal polling in Romney's favor.
Counterpoint: Romney's -11.7 favorability, which is shockingly low this time of the year.

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Old 03-06-2012, 10:56 PM   #81
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What's the projected delegate count at this point?
Ron Paul has half the delegates that Gingrich has.
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Old 03-06-2012, 11:04 PM   #82
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Counterpoint: Romney's -11.7 favorability, which is shockingly low this time of the year.

The more the primaries roll along, the more he's forced to take on conservative positions you know he's very uncomfortable with. It would be different if Gingrich and Romney were fighting head-to-head. Because it would be about economic issues, and I don't think he's going to lose a ton of moderates and independents by skewing conservative.

It's these piece of shit evangelicals. They're pretty much ruining the electability of every republican candidate. I'm sure Romney has a very progressive stance on a lot of social issues, but he can't talk about them until the republican candidacy is solidified.

But at least once the primaries are over, he can slide back into that comfortable space. The other candidates are going to slide back into a space that moderates and liberals are not going to be too happy about.
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Old 03-06-2012, 11:09 PM   #83
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oh, and in case anyone is pointing at that as a reason not to vote for Romney in the primary:

Santorum -11.6 (basically the same, but give him time in the spotlight, his "I don't know" numbers are high, not everyone has heard about his contraception hilarity)
Gingrich -33.9 (LOL, he really needs to drop out)
Paul -6.3 (OK, not bad, but the "I don't know" numbers are high, and between the newsletters and wanting to eliminate many entitlement programs, he'd get smoked)

Obama -2.3 (but the trajectory has been a steady climb towards zero since the beginning of the year)
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Old 03-06-2012, 11:22 PM   #84
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oh, and in case anyone is pointing at that as a reason not to vote for Romney in the primary:

Santorum -11.6 (basically the same, but give him time in the spotlight, his "I don't know" numbers are high, not everyone has heard about his contraception hilarity)
Gingrich -33.9 (LOL, he really needs to drop out)
Paul -6.3 (OK, not bad, but the "I don't know" numbers are high, and between the newsletters and wanting to eliminate many entitlement programs, he'd get smoked)

Obama -2.3 (but the trajectory has been a steady climb towards zero since the beginning of the year)
I think the problem is right now that Romney doesn't have any fierce advocates. At least Santorum has fierce advocates in his very niche audience. Same with Paul. I don't think he ever will, though I think if he can find his moderate platform, he's more likely to. I don't think that's a sign that he's the less equipped candidate. You'd have to think there's a lot of people who think unfavorably of Romney that will vote for him simply because they view Obama even more unfavorably. Again, I don't think that's the case with any other candidate.
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Old 03-06-2012, 11:41 PM   #85
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I, too, think Romney has much more potential in the general than he does in the primaries.

Which he'll inevitably squander as it becomes evident he's just too far removed from the average American.
Romney won't win Ohio, Virginia, or Florida. He doesn't have a chance.
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Old 03-06-2012, 11:49 PM   #86
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Ron Paul has half the delegates that Gingrich has.
PROJECTED delegates. It isn't set in stone yet.
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Old 03-06-2012, 11:51 PM   #87
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Because he can't even beat a guy who can't get on the ballots in some states and outspends said candidate 10X1.
When the smoke clears and the dust settles, and Romney emerges as the GOP candidate for POTUS, voters will rally around him. Everybody can see the damage that Obama has caused, and people in general are pissed off about the floundering economy, and the lies that the 4th estate (or is it 5th column?) has been propogating during this election cycle to spin the news to make things seem better than they really are. People aren't stupid. They get a constant reminder at least once a week every time they fill up the gas tank on their car or other vehicle. I truly believe Obama is going to get defeated in a landslide, similar to the beating Carter took from Reagan in '80.

All Romney has to do is declare he will repeal Obamacare (a total fiasco and abomination) and he'll win the election. Once in office, all he should do is undo all of Obama's failed policies and regulations, and the economy will recover. He can take a nice 4 year vacation after that, people will love him and he will get re-elected in 2016. It's not complicated.
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Old 03-06-2012, 11:53 PM   #88
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Romney won't win Ohio, Virginia, or Florida. He doesn't have a chance.
Anybody who has a pulse and can fog a mirror not named Obama will win those states. You can pick a random name out of a phone book, Obama is not going to win those states again.
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Old 03-06-2012, 11:56 PM   #89
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When the smoke clears and the dust settles, and Romney emerges as the GOP candidate for POTUS, voters will rally around him. Everybody can see the damage that Obama has caused, and people in general are pissed off about the floundering economy, and the lies that the 4th estate (or is it 5th column?) has been propogating during this election cycle to spin the news to make things seem better than they really are. People aren't stupid. They get a constant reminder at least once a week every time they fill up the gas tank on their car or other vehicle. I truly believe Obama is going to get defeated in a landslide, similar to the beating Carter took from Reagan in '80.

All Romney has to do is declare he will repeal Obamacare (a total fiasco and abomination) and he'll win the election. Once in office, all he should do is undo all of Obama's failed policies and regulations, and the economy will recover. He can take a nice 4 year vacation after that, people will love him and he will get re-elected in 2016. It's not complicated.
The guy who created Obamacare will say he's going to repeal it? Cute.
I imagine Obama will use the billion dollars to paint Romney as a flip flopper. It'll be effective as Romney can't connect with your average America.
Having guys like Rush Limbaugh refer to women as sluts doesn't help either. Obama is now polling 60% of women. The problem with the Republican party is it has shrunk. It's anti-gay, anti-women, anti-immigrants, and anti-youth vote. Without any of those groups they'll need to win 2/3 of the men vote (that isn't happening).
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Old 03-06-2012, 11:58 PM   #90
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I think the problem is right now that Romney doesn't have any fierce advocates. At least Santorum has fierce advocates in his very niche audience. Same with Paul. I don't think he ever will, though I think if he can find his moderate platform, he's more likely to. I don't think that's a sign that he's the less equipped candidate. You'd have to think there's a lot of people who think unfavorably of Romney that will vote for him simply because they view Obama even more unfavorably. Again, I don't think that's the case with any other candidate.
RINOs never have any fierce advocates nor will they ever because they don't take a hard stance on anything other than their political careers which solely depends on bi-partisanship at all cost with the opposition and most of the time at the expense of "We The People".

Nothing worse than a politician who is a "chameleon" at every turn. And conservatives recognize that Romney is just another RINO phony trying to look conservative.

Find his modern platform? That's all Romney has been ! He's trying to sound more conservative to pull more conservatives into his fold.
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