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Old 03-08-2012, 11:50 AM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 03-25-2012, 07:03 PM   #1636
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Old 03-25-2012, 07:03 PM   #1637
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He chased an innocent kid down unnecessarily and shot him dead. That should be enough for a conviction of some degree.
This may or may not be true., and is not a fact yet. He did chase him, and asked him a question. Was it necessary? No...But if all he did was ask him "hey what are you doing?" that isn't chasing someone down and starting a fight. If at THAT POINT Martin got pissed, and assaulted Zimmerman, than I think your whole argument goes down the drain.

I think this is the key issue though. The line between asking someone what theyre doing and when trayvon punched zimmerman.

There is a line somewhere, and one of them crossed it. I think if it is proven that one of them started the physical fight, then whoever started the PHYSICAL part of it will be much more likely to have their side be victorious, or more victorious as the case may be.
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Old 03-25-2012, 07:03 PM   #1638
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^It's not his job to chase after people and ask questions. He's not a cop for the last ****ing time. What's so hard to comprehend? Being a neighborhood watch person doesn't mean you get the right to pull shit like that.

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Old 03-25-2012, 07:06 PM   #1639
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IT WAS ACCIDENT HE WAS WEARING A PULLED UP HOODIE IN WARM WEATHER
Uh, it was raining. Many people cover they're head when it's raining, and I doubt many teenagers have rain ponchos in their closets or enjoy wearing them if they do.
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Old 03-25-2012, 07:07 PM   #1640
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Uh, it was raining. Many people cover they're head when it's raining, and I doubt many teenagers have rain ponchos in their closets or enjoy wearing them if they do.
Yeah but what if he was in a gang where they showed their affiliation to it by wearing ponchos?!?
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Old 03-25-2012, 07:10 PM   #1641
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Uh, it was raining. Many people cover they're head when it's raining, and I doubt many teenagers have rain ponchos in their closets or enjoy wearing them if they do.
YES CLOTH HOODIE IS WHAT MOST PEOPLE WEAR TO TRY TO ABSORB ALL OF THE RAIN


(actually my comments in all caps were just a response to a dumb ass who posted in all caps, and was sarcasm, sorry if i didn't make that clear)
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Old 03-25-2012, 07:19 PM   #1642
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YES CLOTH HOODIE IS WHAT MOST PEOPLE WEAR TO TRY TO ABSORB ALL OF THE RAIN
I guess he could have went shirtless, but
a) He wouldn't have been allowed to purchase skittles.
b) His vile tattoos would have alerted Zimmerman that he was up to no good, about to cause problems in the neighborhood.
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Old 03-25-2012, 07:25 PM   #1643
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I guess he could have went shirtless, but
Yah I hurd they outlawed umbrellas and water resitant fabric in FLorida after all the hurricanes.
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Old 03-25-2012, 07:29 PM   #1644
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I guess he could have went shirtless, but
a) He wouldn't have been allowed to purchase skittles.
b) His vile tattoos would have alerted Zimmerman that he was up to no good, about to cause problems in the neighborhood.
he got in one little fight, and his mom got scared?
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Yah I hurd they outlawed umbrellas and water resitant fabric in FLorida after all the hurricanes.
Looking like a golf caddy isn't big in teen fashion yet.
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Old 03-25-2012, 07:38 PM   #1646
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Looking like a golf caddy isn't big in teen fashion yet.
We heard your point already. Shirtless or Hoodie was clearly the only option, no other option was suitable/logical/fashionable etc...
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So we still don't have an account of how the fight actually started?
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So we still don't have an account of how the fight actually started?
There are some media reports coming out that there are additional witnesses who have come forward..who may have seen something.But I do not believe anything substantive is published yet on exactly how the fight started.

Some people will argue the fight started when Z followed M or asked him a question. I vehemently disagree. An inconvenience is not a fight. I have seen nothing so far to establish who made physical contact first, which I think your question is. And, I think that is probably going to end up being the key question.
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There are some media reports coming out that there are additional witnesses who have come forward..who may have seen something.But I do not believe anything substantive is published yet on exactly how the fight started.

Some people will argue the fight started when Z followed M or asked him a question. I vehemently disagree. An inconvenience is not a fight. I have seen nothing so far to establish who made physical contact first, which I think your question is. And, I think that is probably going to end up being the key question.
I see. I was just looking for truth instead of just picking a side and making up my supporting version.
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