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Old 03-08-2012, 11:50 AM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 03-29-2012, 08:30 AM   #2056
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For those who think that Zimmerman is completely guilty here, why did he call 911 in the first place?

If I wanted to go shoot a black guy that was just walking down the street, I sure as hell wouldn't call 911 and give them a running commentary of it.

It seems to me that, if Zimmerman just wanted to shoot someone, he would have done it before calling 911.
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Old 03-29-2012, 08:36 AM   #2057
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Here is a close up of that video. Police don't like getting their cruisers all bloodied up and they will clean the victim up fairly good before they put the person in the cruiser. I have a good friend who is a cop.

Close up of video - http://www.khow.com/pages/boyles.html?article=9967031
That's a pretty nasty gash. Throw one more conspiracy theory out the window.
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Old 03-29-2012, 08:39 AM   #2058
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For those who think that Zimmerman is completely guilty here, why did he call 911 in the first place?
Because he's a paranoid wannabe who always called 911 - garage door open, kids playing in street, "suspicious" persons.
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Old 03-29-2012, 08:40 AM   #2059
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That's a pretty nasty gash. Throw one more conspiracy theory out the window.
If that's a gash why no stitches or bandages?
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For those who think that Zimmerman is completely guilty here, why did he call 911 in the first place?

If I wanted to go shoot a black guy that was just walking down the street, I sure as hell wouldn't call 911 and give them a running commentary of it.

It seems to me that, if Zimmerman just wanted to shoot someone, he would have done it before calling 911.
Precisely !!

And even more telling is how quiet LARAZA has been. Where the hell are they for defending this "white hispanic"????? Oh yeah I forgot, he is a white hispanic so "F him". Political agendas "ALWAYS RULE" with the progressive political correct crowd
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Old 03-29-2012, 08:47 AM   #2061
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If that's a gash why no stitches or bandages?
Cuz they cleaned him up in the car? Nobody is gonna stitch him up since there were no paramedics called.
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Cuz they cleaned him up in the car? Nobody is gonna stitch him up since there were no paramedics called.
Why were no paramedics called if the guy has a broken head and had his head forcefully knocked against the concrete causing a gash several inches long? How did they stop the bleeding and clean him up so quickly without bandages or packing or anything?
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Old 03-29-2012, 08:57 AM   #2063
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Video of Zimmerman at the police station:

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...artin-shooting

The video seems to indicate that Zimmerman did not appear to be as ****ed up as he said he was...no blood all over him, no cuts on the back of the head, etc. Sorry if repost.
Pretty poor quality video and too far away from him.
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Pretty poor quality video and too far away from him.
I beg to differ. Relative to the description Zimmerman gave, he's pretty clean in that video. Wonder what they found in holding.
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If that's a gash why no stitches or bandages?
My friends and I were assaulted and two of them had their heads beat into the concrete sidewalk a few times and they didn't need any stitches or bandages. They had marks on their face but they weren't that bad. No one had to go to an ER or hospital.

Oh, and then I tried to kill the two criminals they ran off.
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It turns out that Trayvon was in town because he had been suspended from school for drugs. So yes, we have another senseless drug-related death.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/29/justic...html?hpt=hp_c1

Video raises new questions in Trayvon Martin killing

(CNN) -- The father of George Zimmerman, the man accused of shooting and killing an unarmed black teen in Florida, says the 17-yearold threatened to kill Zimmerman and then beat him so badly that it forced Zimmerman to shoot him.

"Trayvon Martin said something to the effect of, 'You're going to die now' or 'You're going to die tonight,' something to that effect," Robert Zimmerman told Orlando TV station WOFL. "He continued to beat George. At some point, George pulled his pistol. Did what he did."

A surveillance video from the Sanford Police headquarters the night of the incident raises questions about the description of a beating.

It shows Zimmerman, his hands cuffed, exiting a patrol car and being led into the police station. First broadcast Wednesday by ABCNews.com, the video does not provide close-ups, but also does not show clear signs of Zimmerman having injuries.

Craig Sonner, George Zimmerman's legal adviser, said Thursday the tape does not support or contradict Robert Zimmerman's description. It is "very grainy," he told NBC's "Today Show." Sonner also noted that the injuries George Zimmerman sustained were "later cleaned up."

A police report says Zimmerman was bleeding from the nose and back of his head when police arrived at the scene of the killing February 26.
Sonner noted that in the video, at one point an officer appears to be looking at the back of Zimmerman's head.

While more details in the case surface, Sonner said, "I'm not going to litigate this case in the media."

Zimmerman has not been charged.

Zimmerman's father vehemently defended the shooting in the interview with WOFL, but asked that his face be obscured because he says he fears for his safety.

Martin's death has sparked outrage and protests across the United States, moved President Barack Obama to call it a tragedy, and prompted a federal investigation.
Robert Zimmerman told the news station that Martin confronted his son first and pummeled his son continually.

"He was punched in the nose. His nose was broken," Robert Zimmerman said. "He was knocked to the concrete. Trayvon Martin got on top of him and just started beating him. In the face. In his nose, hitting his head on the concrete."

Robert Zimmerman was not there the night of the shooting and did not say during the interview how he knew the details of the altercation.

The elder Zimmerman's account was disputed by Martin's family attorney and several legal experts who looked at the video.

"The injuries that made it sound as though he really should have been on a stretcher are not apparent in this tape at all," said Marcia Clark, the former prosecutor in the O.J. Simpson trial. "He moves freely. He moves fluidly, not like someone who has just been through a beating in any way, shape or form, someone whose head has been pounded on the pavement as hard as described, someone whose nose was broken and bleeding. That tells you a great deal."

Sybrina Fulton, Martin's mother, said the video is another strong piece of evidence proving her son was killed unjustly.

"I believe that this video is the icing on the cake," she said. "This is not the first part of the evidence that they have had. They have had the 911 tapes and they have also have witnesses. This is in addition to what the Sanford Police Department has always had. There is no problem with this case and he needs to be arrested."

George Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch volunteer, said he shot Martin in self-defense after the teen attacked him. Martin was walking through the gated community back to his father's fiancee's house, wearing a hoodie and carrying Skittles candy and a can of iced tea he had purchased from a nearby convenience store.

Zimmerman has not been arrested, and authorities have said he has not been charged because there are no grounds to disprove his account of what happened.

The shooting has hit a nerve in the nation, sparked a debate about racial profiling, and ignited protests and calls for Zimmerman's arrest.

Robert Zimmerman said his son is having a hard time dealing with the criticism.

"I never foresaw so much hate coming from the president, the Congressional Black Caucus, the NAACP. Every organization imaginable is trying to get notoriety or profit from this in some way," Robert Zimmerman told WOFL. "But there's so much hate that I have never been involved in hate and George hasn't. It's really unbelievable."

Robert Zimmerman said his son is not racist and race had nothing to do with the incident.

"He would do anything to help anybody at any time. He's colorblind when it comes to any race," Robert Zimmerman said.

Tracy Martin, Trayvon Martin's father, said Wednesday that the 911 tape shows Zimmerman was profiling his son.

In a recording of Zimmerman's call to police, some people have said they hear what sounds like a possible racial slur. CNN enhanced the sound of the 911 call, and several members of CNN's editorial staff repeatedly reviewed the tape but could reach no consensus on whether Zimmerman used a slur.

Angela Corey, the special prosecutor assigned to investigate the case, said Tuesday that investigators would look into the allegations that Zimmerman used a racial slur.
Martin, who lived in Miami, was visiting Sanford after receiving a 10-day suspension from school, a family spokesman has said. An empty plastic bag found in his book bag had been determined to contain marijuana residue.

Benjamin Crump, Martin's parents' attorney, said information regarding the suspension was irrelevant and amounts to a smear campaign against the teen.

Florida law allows the use of deadly force anywhere a person feels a reasonable fear of death or serious injury. It has been cited in a number of justifiable homicide cases in Florida.

But as more and more information surfaces, the picture of what happened becomes more complicated.

Despite the twists and turns in the case, Fulton, Martin's mother, says she still has faith in authorities investigating her son's case.

"I feel confident that they're going to do a thorough investigation," Fulton said. "We're trying to be patient, even though it's been over a month. We're trying to be patient, and we're trying to press on for justice."
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Why were no paramedics called if the guy has a broken head and had his head forcefully knocked against the concrete causing a gash several inches long? How did they stop the bleeding and clean him up so quickly without bandages or packing or anything?
“So quickly”? Do you actually know the time frame?
If you refuse treatment they can’t force it on you. Besides, didn’t another article in this topic say there were no stitches because it was too long from the time the incident happened to the time he would have been able to receive treatment?
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6'2" guy on top of him, beating him and telling him you're going to die tonight, sounds pretty justified. It still doesn't answer the question of why GZ followed him. If I was unarmed and saw a big suspicious guy, I sure as Hell would just call 911 and not put myself anywhere near him. I still think GZ might have felt a little overzealous knowing he was armed, and that he could use the gun to get out of any trouble that might arise.

At this point, though, if they do press charges, no way he walks, he is probably the most nervous man in America right now.
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6'2" guy on top of him, beating him and telling him you're going to die tonight, sounds pretty justified.
Who was an in-shape football player on top of an out-of-shape fatty.
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It is a whisper. A fart in the wind that is totally subjective to whomever is listening to it. To be honest there could have been dead silence and the media would have reported it was Zimmerman pausing to put on his KKK outfit.

Speaking of which, I bet the KKK are laughing there asses off. A mexican killed a black man and the mexican is being called a racist.
he's not mexican.
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