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Old 03-08-2012, 11:50 AM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 03-29-2012, 09:53 AM   #2071
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Who was an in-shape football player on top of an out-of-shape fatty.
Why'd the out of shape fatty pursue the strapping 6'2" athlete who by the fatty's own account was on drugs and was hiding something in pocket/waistband?
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Old 03-29-2012, 09:55 AM   #2072
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Why'd the out of shape fatty pursue the strapping 6'2" athlete who by the fatty's own account was on drugs and was hiding something in pocket/waistband?
Because those coons always get away.
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Old 03-29-2012, 09:56 AM   #2073
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6'2" guy on top of him, beating him and telling him you're going to die tonight, sounds pretty justified. It still doesn't answer the question of why GZ followed him. If I was unarmed and saw a big suspicious guy, I sure as Hell would just call 911 and not put myself anywhere near him. I still think GZ might have felt a little overzealous knowing he was armed, and that he could use the gun to get out of any trouble that might arise.

At this point, though, if they do press charges, no way he walks, he is probably the most nervous man in America right now.
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Again, that is Zimmerman's story and the evidence we've seen so far doesn't really fit wit his account. Look at the video, he doesn't look like he's gotten his ass beat. Generally when you get stomped out, there is either wooziness or stiffness. He doesn't seem to have either.

Best case scenario for justice is that he gets hit with a manslaughter charge and convicted. He does 3-4 years in the pokey and finishes out on probation.
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Old 03-29-2012, 09:58 AM   #2074
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I wish this story would die.

I am so sick of all of it

Police didn't arrest Zimmerman - I trust their judgement

Zimmerman is innocent until proven guilty - can't we all just leave it at that.

Why is there no outrage over the 13yr old white kid that got doused with Gas and set on fire in Kansas City?
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Old 03-29-2012, 09:59 AM   #2075
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Why'd the out of shape fatty pursue the strapping 6'2" athlete who by the fatty's own account was on drugs and was hiding something in pocket/waistband?
Maybe because break-ins are an ongoing issue in this community?
Still doesn’t explain why GZ had to confront TM but he did nothing wrong by following, pursuing as you put it, him.
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Old 03-29-2012, 10:05 AM   #2076
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Still doesn’t explain why GZ had to confront TM but he did nothing wrong by following, pursuing as you put it, him.
I'll give you a hint why he was "brave" enough to follow and confront him -it rhymes with "P"el-Tec PF-9 9mm.
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Old 03-29-2012, 10:37 AM   #2077
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I wish this story would die.

I am so sick of all of it

Police didn't arrest Zimmerman - I trust their judgement

Zimmerman is innocent until proven guilty - can't we all just leave it at that.

Why is there no outrage over the 13yr old white kid that got doused with Gas and set on fire in Kansas City?
You trust their judgement?

Their judgement was that Zimmerman should be arrested and charged with manslaughter.
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Old 03-29-2012, 10:39 AM   #2078
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I'll give you a hint why he was "brave" enough to follow and confront him -it rhymes with "P"el-Tec PF-9 9mm.
Maybe so or maybe he’s one of millions of wanna be tough-guys that think they know what they’re doing even if they’ve never actually been in a fight, got punched in the face before.
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Old 03-29-2012, 10:46 AM   #2079
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Old 03-29-2012, 11:01 AM   #2080
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stand-your-ground law states that a person may use deadly force in self-defense when there is reasonable belief of a threat, without an obligation to retreat first. In some cases, a person may use deadly force in public areas without a duty to retreat. Under these legal concepts, a person is justified in using deadly force in certain situations and the "stand your ground" law would be a defense or immunity to criminal charges and civil suit. The difference between immunity and a defense is that an immunity bars suit, charges, detention and arrest

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Old 03-29-2012, 11:18 AM   #2081
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For those who think that Zimmerman is completely guilty here, why did he call 911 in the first place?

If I wanted to go shoot a black guy that was just walking down the street, I sure as hell wouldn't call 911 and give them a running commentary of it.

It seems to me that, if Zimmerman just wanted to shoot someone, he would have done it before calling 911.
I don't think many (sane) people are thinking that Zimmerman just wanted to kill somebody in cold blood. So that question isn't really applicable. For myself at least, I think that he was at fault for terrible decision making when carrying a concealed weapon, that lead to the death of someone else. That still makes him completely guilty of manslaughter in the least, even though he didn't leave the house that morning with the intention of shooting someone. The fact that he called 911 doesn't really infer innocence of manslaughter.
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Old 03-29-2012, 11:23 AM   #2082
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I wish this story would die.

I am so sick of all of it

Police didn't arrest Zimmerman - I trust their judgement

Zimmerman is innocent until proven guilty - can't we all just leave it at that.

Why is there no outrage over the 13yr old white kid that got doused with Gas and set on fire in Kansas City?
Martin got that same treatment right - I mean the innocent until proven guilty call.

Seems Zimmerman decided to act as judge, jury, and executioner to me.
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Old 03-29-2012, 11:32 AM   #2083
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Martin got that same treatment right - I mean the innocent until proven guilty call.

Seems Zimmerman decided to act as judge, jury, and executioner to me.
So Martin sitting on top of him hitting him is a sign of innocence—with one having to wait for a trial to make that determination?

Sorry, that concept has to do with a trial and after the fact —not out in life when being attacked. The law allows one to defend oneself. We just don't have all the facts that matter yet. See R8ers post above. Trial by press is iffy but using this is just not using logic.
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I don't think many (sane) people are thinking that Zimmerman just wanted to kill somebody in cold blood. So that question isn't really applicable. For myself at least, I think that he was at fault for terrible decision making when carrying a concealed weapon, that lead to the death of someone else. That still makes him completely guilty of manslaughter in the least, even though he didn't leave the house that morning with the intention of shooting someone. The fact that he called 911 doesn't really infer innocence of manslaughter.
Making a bad decision that ultimately puts you into a position where you end up fearing for your life and using lethal force in self-defense doesn't necessarily make you guilty of manslaughter.

Following a guy who you suspect might be violent, doesn't justify the beatdown you end up taking and doesn't make the self-defense shooting you deliver manslaughter. OTOH, starting a fight with the guy by taking the first punch might. We don't know what happened here.
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