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Old 03-08-2012, 12:50 PM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 03-29-2012, 12:39 PM   #2086
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Martin got that same treatment right - I mean the innocent until proven guilty call.

Seems Zimmerman decided to act as judge, jury, and executioner to me.
Do you really believe that? Do you really believe that Zimmerman made a calm and collected decision to pull that trigger?
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Old 03-29-2012, 12:59 PM   #2087
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I don't think many (sane) people are thinking that Zimmerman just wanted to kill somebody in cold blood. So that question isn't really applicable. For myself at least, I think that he was at fault for terrible decision making when carrying a concealed weapon, that lead to the death of someone else. That still makes him completely guilty of manslaughter in the least, even though he didn't leave the house that morning with the intention of shooting someone. The fact that he called 911 doesn't really infer innocence of manslaughter.
Yup. I just don’t see how he gets out of this without at least manslaughter or maybe a negligent homicide charges, I’m no lawyer so I’ll leave the definitions up to those that are.
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Old 03-29-2012, 01:07 PM   #2088
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Again, that is Zimmerman's story and the evidence we've seen so far doesn't really fit wit his account. Look at the video, he doesn't look like he's gotten his ass beat. Generally when you get stomped out, there is either wooziness or stiffness. He doesn't seem to have either.

Best case scenario for justice is that he gets hit with a manslaughter charge and convicted. He does 3-4 years in the pokey and finishes out on probation.
How much longer after the shooting was the video taken? I've been knocked around plenty in my life. Been hit in the Jaw and head repeatedly with a baseball bat and was walking and talking fine 10 minutes later, but I'm glad you know how to regurgitate what Marsha Clark and CNN tell you.
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Old 03-29-2012, 01:09 PM   #2089
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Yup. I just don’t see how he gets out of this without at least manslaughter or maybe a negligent homicide charges, I’m no lawyer so I’ll leave the definitions up to those that are.
Nope no manslaughter read those bold parts...

stand-your-ground law states that a person may use deadly force in self-defense when there is reasonable belief of a threat, without an obligation to retreat first. In some cases, a person may use deadly force in public areas without a duty to retreat. Under these legal concepts, a person is justified in using deadly force in certain situations and the "stand your ground" law would be a defense or immunity to criminal charges and civil suit. The difference between immunity and a defense is that an immunity bars suit, charges, detention and arrest


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Old 03-29-2012, 01:10 PM   #2090
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How much longer after the shooting was the video taken? I've been knocked around plenty in my life. Been hit in the Jaw and head repeatedly with a baseball bat and was walking and talking fine 10 minutes later, but I'm glad you know how to regurgitate what Marsha Clark and CNN tell you.
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Old 03-29-2012, 01:11 PM   #2091
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The #1 problem with this case is there is to many people posting on emotion and are not even reading the law
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Old 03-29-2012, 01:13 PM   #2092
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The #1 problem with this case is there is to many people posting on emotion and are not even reading the law
You are absolutely correct.
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Old 03-29-2012, 01:17 PM   #2093
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You are absolutely correct.
I am 100% for the law deciding what happened based on credible witness accounts and physical evidence, this media lynching shit is ridiculous..

I think they are defending an agenda and just shamefully using the poor kid as a prop for it.
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‘KillZimmerman’ Twitter advocates violence against Martin’s killer

On March 24 a “KillZimmerman” Twitter account began publishing calls for violence against George Zimmerman, the self-appointed neighborhood watch captain who shot and killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin on Feb. 26.

Five days later, the account is still on its crusade to avenge Martin.

The sender’s initial tweets made his or her aims clear: “No Justice No Peace!!!!!!!!!!



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The #1 problem with this case is there is to many people posting on emotion and are not even reading the law
At this point, I feel he was justified, the stand your ground law applies and he should not be charged. However, I don't think you are placing enough emphasis on the fact that had GZ not followed the kid, this wouldn't have happened. If he does get convicted of something like manslaughter over this, that is the one reason why I won't feel sorry for him.
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Old 03-29-2012, 01:26 PM   #2097
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Nope no manslaughter read those bold parts...

stand-your-ground law states that a person may use deadly force in self-defense when there is reasonable belief of a threat, without an obligation to retreat first. In some cases, a person may use deadly force in public areas without a duty to retreat. Under these legal concepts, a person is justified in using deadly force in certain situations and the "stand your ground" law would be a defense or immunity to criminal charges and civil suit. The difference between immunity and a defense is that an immunity bars suit, charges, detention and arrest


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See, idiotic responses like ^this where it’s obvious you didn’t read my entire post before responding is why it’s becoming annoying that I agree with you on the following.

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I am 100% for the law deciding what happened based on credible witness accounts and physical evidence, this media lynching shit is ridiculous..

I think they are defending an agenda and just shamefully using the poor kid as a prop for it.
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Old 03-29-2012, 01:29 PM   #2098
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At this point, I feel he was justified, the stand your ground law applies and he should not be charged. However, I don't think you are placing enough emphasis on the fact that had GZ not followed the kid, this wouldn't have happened. If he does get convicted of something like manslaughter over this, that is the one reason why I won't feel sorry for him.
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Thats the deal though, if he was following and observing his activities that's probably 100% legal... Now if GZ was threatening him verbally with physical harm that's another issue...

I think GZ is a cop wannabe that got a little too close, I doubt he intended to assault Trayvon under any circumstances, I think Travon was pissed because he is probably like most 17 year olds that are cock strong and think they know everything... Maybe felt his peers would look down on him if he did not retaliate... Should have decked GZ if that was what he wanted to do then fled the scene...

When he got on Zimmerman and was beating his head into the sidewalk he chose to assult GZ with a weapon too (concrete) .

You do not have to be on the edge of dying to defend yourself when you are the one being attacked....

Dumb actions by GZ do not justify a man being able to pound on him at will.
These are just my thoughts of course from what I have read leaving emotion out of the equation.
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See, idiotic responses like ^this where it’s obvious you didn’t read my entire post before responding is why it’s becoming annoying that I agree with you on the following.
I apologize as I took your post out of context a bit, is that better?
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