Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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This is some ****ED UP SHIT, they aren't sure if the racist neighborhood watch idiot should be arrested? If anything, local gangs might take notice of this and start shooting up that neighborhood or just random white neighborhoods. I could never live in the south, it's ridiculous. The guy shoots an innocent teen walking to the store to buy skittles. Should be life in prison, that's cold blood man.

http://news.yahoo.com/family-florida...044537742.html




ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

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Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

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Even if true doesn't this rely on a Huge assumption that trayvon started it? Or isn't it very possible that gz verbally or physically threatened or even assaulted trayvon first without just cause?

I do doubt that Zimmerman went up to the kid and started waving a gun in his face or threatening him with physical violence. If he's doing neighborhood watch then anyone walking down the street late at night is a concern regardless of race, gender, color, or creed. Especially if it's something that's not normal.

[R8ers]

Originally Posted by chiefsfootballfan

if that is his defense, he's gonna fry.

Do you even have a clue what the stand your ground law is?

Pay attention to this part

1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or

So the general rule is that deadly force may be used only to “imminent death or great bodily harm,” or “the imminent commission of a forcible felony.” A person may only use deadly force if he “reasonably believes” that the aforesaid factual conditions exist. These standards are the norm throughout the United States.


Slamming a man's head into concrete is a forcible felony, probably attempted murder

[Radar Chief]

Originally Posted by chiefsfootballfan

well, if an officer files them, they are in fact charges. damn dude, you need t o be spoonfed every bite.

The police officer files a report. A report is not charges.
You should really try shutting up about it now.

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by chiefsfootballfan

if that is his defense, he's gonna fry.

That's incorrect. It's actually a law in Florida...as well as Colorado and many other states.

It's a good practice to not be confrontation with anyone on the street. They might be packing.

[R8ers]

was not obliged to retreat, nor to consider whether he could safely retreat, but was entitled to stand his ground, and meet any attack upon him with a deadly weapon, in such a way and with such force as, under all the circumstances, he, at the moment, honestly believed, and had reasonable grounds to believe, were necessary to save his own life, or to protect himself from great bodily injury

[Buzz_TinBalls]

Originally Posted by Radar Chief

The police officer files a report. A report is not charges.
You should really try shutting up about it now.

you should reread my post. I know your post excludes that "violation section code XXXXXX" but mine doesn't.

you should try concentrating harder, but gold star anyway!

[BucEyedPea]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

I do doubt that Zimmerman went up to the kid and started waving a gun in his face or threatening him with physical violence. If he's doing neighborhood watch then anyone walking down the street late at night is a concern regardless of race, gender, color, or creed. Especially if it's something that's not normal.

If he did brandish his gun that would be illegal. I doubt someone with a conceal carry permit would do that.

[Dayze]

Originally Posted by chiefsfootballfan

well, if an officer files them, they are in fact charges. damn dude, you need t o be spoonfed every bite.

I don't believe that's accurate. I think there is a difference between being arrested and charged. I believe the Prosecutor determines if he wants to file charges, and go through arraignment hearing. Judge ulitmately determines if there is enough evidence to go to trial.


I'm not a lawyer though, I could be wrong. I just think there is a difference between arrested and charged.

[Radar Chief]

Originally Posted by chiefsfootballfan

you should reread my post. I know your post excludes that "violation section code XXXXXX" but mine doesn't.

you should try concentrating harder, but gold star anyway!

Are you high?

[Buzz_TinBalls]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

That's incorrect. It's actually a law in Florida...as well as Colorado and many other states.

It's a good practice to not be confrontation with anyone on the street. They might be packing.

it's the wild west out there, eh padner?

you make all the right assumptions, don't you think?

me, I don't know anything more than what's coming out of the press and so far, I concur with the police on this matter --the ****er is lying his ass off.

[Buzz_TinBalls]

Originally Posted by Radar Chief

Are you high?

are you ugly?

[Radar Chief]

Originally Posted by chiefsfootballfan

are you ugly?

Yes, but that doesn’t help you posts make a lick of sense.

[BucEyedPea]

Originally Posted by chiefsfootballfan

it's the wild west out there, eh padner?

you make all the right assumptions, don't you think?

me, I don't know anything more than what's coming out of the press and so far, I concur with the police on this matter --the ****er is lying his ass off.

Mob mentality tries people in the press. Yet, even Casey Anthony got off, due to lack of evidence to convict beyond a reasonable doubt for first degree murder including on manslaughter and reckless child abuse charges.

You guys who've made up their minds would never make the jury—that's for sure.

[BucEyedPea]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

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Even if true doesn't this rely on a Huge assumption that trayvon started it? Or isn't it very possible that gz verbally or physically threatened or even assaulted trayvon first without just cause?

Maybe, none of them started anything, but were operating based on their own perceptions and from past experiences and this got out of hand instead.

[Buzz_TinBalls]

Originally Posted by Dayze

I don't believe that's accurate. I think there is a difference between being arrested and charged. I believe the Prosecutor determines if he wants to file charges, and go through arraignment hearing. Judge ulitmately determines if there is enough evidence to go to trial.


I'm not a lawyer though, I could be wrong. I just think there is a difference between arrested and charged.

semantics. when you get issued a citation, the DOJ has different marching orders according to the charges. Obviously, if you fight a speeding ticket, it's you against the officer, not a prosecutor.

in this case, the officer would file section code violations and yes, the prosecution has authority to drop it, change the charges etc.

the point I am driving at is, there should not be a catch22 in this. the police said they wanted to file base on what they witnessed. they didn't. that is unacceptable imo.