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Old 03-08-2012, 11:50 AM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 03-30-2012, 01:55 PM   #2236
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I see a difference, but I don't know that it matters. What if instead of being run off the road, you did the running off the road. So you run the guys car to the side of the road, and then he gets out with the tire iron. Does that make a difference? Could he say he felt threatened? I'm really just asking. I don't know.
That's a little hairy and I see what you're getting at. I don't know if it jives with the situations of Martin and Zimmerman. In the case you described it would be both. I might be justified in using deadly force, but I am also guilty of some kind of moving violation. Most likely reckless driving and casuing an accident. The hard part would be that a DA would have to prove in a criminal trial that I did it on purpose(running them off the road). That may or may not be hard to do.

That's the criminal situation.

There is also a civil situation that I am exposed to for wrongful death at the very least.

You only want to use deadly force when all other options have been exhausted.
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Old 03-30-2012, 02:00 PM   #2237
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Old 03-30-2012, 02:01 PM   #2238
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Hearing stuff about how this kid was a thug makes me feel a little uneasy. As if an argument is being made that he had it coming.
I don't think anyone here is saying he had it coming to him though if you act like a thug you are likely gonna get treated like a thug.

The reason people keep bringing it up tho is because the media paints a darling picture of him and refuses to show any pics more recent that 2009 when he looks like a little boy.
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Old 03-30-2012, 02:02 PM   #2239
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Hearing stuff about how this kid was a thug makes me feel a little uneasy. As if an argument is being made that he had it coming.
It's sad to put labels on people but if he did beat the mans head in the ground and was that violent at 17 , he was probably heading down the road to not living long or spending alot if not all of his life incarcerated..
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Old 03-30-2012, 02:16 PM   #2240
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Called "Simple Assault" here which is a Misdemeanor
Typically, the point at which the person is touched the crime is battery. NC case law seems to allow touching as part of assault, although assault is generally defined as putting someone in immediate apprehension of offensive bodily contact.


Swinging or waving fist at a person = assault

Swinging and connecting = assault and then battery

Sucker punching someone from behind = battery
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Old 03-30-2012, 02:19 PM   #2241
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Typically, the point at which the person is touched the crime is battery. NC case law seems to allow touching as part of assault, although assault is generally defined as putting someone in immediate apprehension of offensive bodily contact.


Swinging or waving fist at a person = assault

Swinging and connecting = assault and then battery

Sucker punching someone from behind = battery
Yep, good stuff...

Among the most well known offenses are assault and battery, which usually go hand in hand. However, the two crimes are actually distinct offenses and can be charged as misdemeanors or felonies. Assault is defined as an unlawful attack caused by one person upon another, and is considered a felony if the attacker uses a weapon in the process. It is not necessary that an attacker injure another person for a court to consider the attempt a felony. Because using a gun, knife, or other weapon could probably result in serious injury if the crime were successfully completed, law enforcement personnel treat this offense very seriously.

Battery, in contrast, involves physically harming another person. Together, assault and battery occur at the felony level when a person willfully or with intent to cause serious bodily harm, injury, or damage, hits, strikes, beats, or otherwise injures someone else. Unlike simple assault and battery, felony assault and battery causes significant injury or damage to the victim or is committed against an elderly person or a child. In addition, one of the most significant assault and battery felonies is that of a sexual nature, which forces the criminal to register as a sex offender after completing his or her prison sentence.
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Old 03-30-2012, 02:25 PM   #2242
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That's a little hairy and I see what you're getting at. I don't know if it jives with the situations of Martin and Zimmerman. In the case you described it would be both. I might be justified in using deadly force, but I am also guilty of some kind of moving violation. Most likely reckless driving and casuing an accident. The hard part would be that a DA would have to prove in a criminal trial that I did it on purpose(running them off the road). That may or may not be hard to do.

That's the criminal situation.

There is also a civil situation that I am exposed to for wrongful death at the very least.

You only want to use deadly force when all other options have been exhausted.

But your criminal violation (inattentive driving, etc.) would be wholly seperate, and not a reasonable basis for the guy to commit two assaults. I am not aware of any jursdiction in which getting cut off in traffic is grounds running someone off the road then coming at at them with a deadly weapon.

Think of it in these terms, each action is judged on the basis of whether or not it was a reasonable response to the action preceeding it.
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Scenario..

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Use the car to get the hell out of there..

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Brother: Medical records will prove George Zimmerman's story

http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/30/justic...ing/index.html
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ABC News doctors Zimmerman video to peddle false story in Trayvon Martin case
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Yeah, you can only hope that out of all this, some truths will come out. I don't know how this ABC case will be handled, but they better get absolutely drilled for this. If I'm the Zimmerman family, might even consider pressing charges.
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Old 03-30-2012, 02:55 PM   #2246
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So ABC pulled a Reuters? Nice.
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Old 03-30-2012, 02:56 PM   #2247
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We'll see. I think the medical exam will prove self defense, and that will in turn make it really difficult for the Martin family to win.

But it doesn't change the fact that the law is probably very flawed. I'm still stuck on what happened between the 911 call being dropped and the part where Martin is bashing Zimmerman's head into the ground. Unfortunately, the law as written doesn't seem to care about this part, but if I'm talking about who was wrong and who was right, this is the most important piece to me. And I still stick to my gut that the situation was triggered conditionally. That is, had Zimmerman not pursued Martin likely overzealously, Zimmerman wouldn't have been assaulted and therefore Martin wouldn't have been shot.
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We'll see. I think the medical exam will prove self defense, and that will in turn make it really difficult for the Martin family to win.

But it doesn't change the fact that the law is probably very flawed. I'm still stuck on what happened between the 911 call being dropped and the part where Martin is bashing Zimmerman's head into the ground. Unfortunately, the law as written doesn't seem to care about this part, but if I'm talking about who was wrong and who was right, this is the most important piece to me. And I still stick to my gut that the situation was triggered conditionally. That is, had Zimmerman not pursued Martin likely overzealously, Zimmerman wouldn't have been assaulted and therefore Martin wouldn't have been shot.
And if Martin had not decided to take the law into his own hands and assault GZ he would be alive today..

You can't justify some mall cop following you around as a reason to commit felony assault.. The is just no way to spin this part
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Don't know how accurate this is but surely worth discussing. They need to release pictures of his face and head for any of this to be conclusive one way or another

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The Daily Caller’s “analysis” seems to have consisted of taking a screengrab of ABC’s video, then hitting the “sharpen” button on their image editing software. Here’s a comparison of The Daily Caller’s unenhanced screenshot (on the right) with another frame of the video that shows the same spot on Zimmerman’s head, from a different angle:

Viewers can decide for themselves, but reviewing the video, rather than isolating single frames, seems to pretty clearly show that what The DC identifies as a possible “laceration” is actually a dark spot created by variations in the density of Zimmerman’s hair, the curvature of his skull, and the lighting and angle of the shot. That spot on his head is visible and well-lit in other spots on the tape, but nothing is visible. Lacerations don’t disapppear depending on how you light them.

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Has anybody heard exactly where the gunshot wound was at? I know it was in his chest, Just wondering the exact spot
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