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Old 03-08-2012, 11:50 AM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 04-01-2012, 02:45 PM   #2341
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Old 04-01-2012, 02:49 PM   #2342
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I really can't believe a ****ing thing the media says on this case anymore. They have proven without a doubt how ****ing biased they are in this case.

First they pull out mugshots of Zimmerman and put it up against a photo of Martin that is 3 to 4 years old. And when you go from 13 or 14 to 17 that is a huge ****ing difference.

They try to make Zimmerman look like the devil while making Martin look like a little saint when that clearly was not the case.

Then they try to make some claim about Zimmerman saying "****ing coons" on some distorted tape. And several people claim on here and elsewhere you can clearly hear "****ing punks". Whatever you hear it is very muffled and hard to make out much.

Last the media shows some grainy video of Zimmerman at the police station and try to make a claim of how he hasn't been hurt after the supposed attack. But after futher analysis by non biased groups you could cleary see a huge gash down the back of his head.

Now here is one more thing they are trying to use that will probably be shown to be false as well. **** the media at this point. They have made this into something it is not. They all deserve a red hot poker up their anus.
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Old 04-01-2012, 02:54 PM   #2343
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Correct. The problem is that the media is relying on sources like a god damn mortician... exactly how many GSW victims does he handle on a daily basis to qualify him as an expert? It's beyond ridiculous to print/broadcast the guy's opinion as if he has a clue. You may as well ask the guy who dug his grave what his "expert" opinion is on this. Just to be clear here... a mortician is a ****ing make up artists/stylist for corpses.. that's it.

The media speculation has been wildly irresponsible.
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Old 04-01-2012, 03:15 PM   #2344
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Correct. The problem is that the media is relying on sources like a god damn mortician... exactly how many GSW victims does he handle on a daily basis to qualify him as an expert? It's beyond ridiculous to print/broadcast the guy's opinion as if he has a clue. You may as well ask the guy who dug his grave what his "expert" opinion is on this. Just to be clear here... a mortician is a ****ing make up artists/stylist for corpses.. that's it.

The media speculation has been wildly irresponsible.
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Old 04-01-2012, 03:20 PM   #2345
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According to what source, will you not see swelling post mortem? I'm very interested in hearing where this thinking comes from.

Do tell.
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Old 04-01-2012, 03:29 PM   #2346
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HAHAHAHA I seriously need to form like 30 LLCs and set myself up as an "expert" in various fields. What a complete crock of shit. The guy used "Easy Voice Biometrics" to justify his opinion (that is not a joke, that is seriously the name of the software). I'll bet that's the same software the NSA USES!!!

The "expert" has his BA in HISTORY and his prestigious company is him and his wife.
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Old 04-01-2012, 03:40 PM   #2347
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I get where you two are coming from now after re-reading. You are talking about actual swelling taking taking place post mortem.

The thing to remember here is that there is a very good chance the kid already swelling and certainly some blood or even skin on his hands from giving Zimmerman the beating that Zimmerman described prior to taking the bullet in the chest.

I've been in on about 50 post mortem autopsies and I can honestly say that those folks are very good at finding and describing physiologic changes from trauma post mortem.

And while a mortician is not a forensic pathologist, those guys see every kind of traumatic injury you can possibly see in the course of a career. I'll agree that getting quoted from the mortician is really a low standard of journalism.
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HAHAHAHA I seriously need to form like 30 LLCs and set myself up as an "expert" in various fields. What a complete crock of shit. The guy used "Easy Voice Biometrics" to justify his opinion (that is not a joke, that is seriously the name of the software). I'll bet that's the same software the NSA USES!!!

The "expert" has his BA in HISTORY and his prestigious company is him and his wife
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Old 04-01-2012, 04:07 PM   #2350
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HAHAHAHA I seriously need to form like 30 LLCs and set myself up as an "expert" in various fields. What a complete crock of shit. The guy used "Easy Voice Biometrics" to justify his opinion (that is not a joke, that is seriously the name of the software). I'll bet that's the same software the NSA USES!!!

The "expert" has his BA in HISTORY and his prestigious company is him and his wife.
I forgot to mention in my rant a little earlier, they have an eye witness stating that Martin was on top of Zimmerman and Zimmerman was screaming help. I am so sick of the media ****ing this up.
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http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news...s-his-injuries

George Zimmerman's neighbor describes his injuries

A man who lives in the Retreat at Twin Lakes Sanford Community where George Zimmerman lives and where 17-year old Trayvon Martin was killed, talked exclusively to FOX35 Friday about what he saw on Zimmerman's face less than 24-hours after the shooting.

"I saw George, he was banged up," he said.

The man, who didn't want his identity revealed, said he saw bandages on Zimmerman's nose and on the back of his head and well as lumps on his face.
He told FOX35 he hasn't been able to sleep knowing that people in America are portraying Zimmerman as a racist and a murderer who suffered no injuries.

"I believe you have the right to pull the trigger if you feel like your life is on the line and after seeing George's face the next day, I believe his life was on the line," he said.
He said while the surveillance video of Zimmerman at the Sanford police department being brought in for questioning after the shooting doesn't clearly show his injuries, it clearly shows an officer looking at his head.



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Old 04-01-2012, 05:26 PM   #2352
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By the way, if we're again painting a picture of the kind of guy Zimmerman was, this sheds some light. Take a look at the 46 911 calls he's made.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...plete-log.html

Again, I don't think this is a race issue, though it shouldn't be surprising that a lot of the people he reported as suspicious were black. The issue at hand is how much power you want to give to a nutjob like Zimmerman to be enforcing the law on his own terms, especially if he can hide behind a self defense law. The call log here indicates that he was either overzealous in his neighborhood watch duties or he was paranoid with mental issues (maybe both). Neither of them help his case.
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Taking the responsibility of being a neighborhood watchmen and calling the police to report a crime makes you a nutjob?
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By the way, if we're again painting a picture of the kind of guy Zimmerman was, this sheds some light. Take a look at the 46 911 calls he's made.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...plete-log.html

Again, I don't think this is a race issue, though it shouldn't be surprising that a lot of the people he reported as suspicious were black. The issue at hand is how much power you want to give to a nutjob like Zimmerman to be enforcing the law on his own terms, especially if he can hide behind a self defense law. The call log here indicates that he was either overzealous in his neighborhood watch duties or he was paranoid with mental issues (maybe both). Neither of them help his case.
Sounds like he was a pretty good neighborhood watch guy to me... Don't worry about the cops having to come out, that's what they are being paid to do....

People who are cold blooded murderers probably shy away from 911
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Taking the responsibility of being a neighborhood watchmen and calling the police to report a crime makes you a nutjob?
I think you need to read the call log. And stop and think how you would feel if this guy was your neighbor. The majority of the things he was reporting weren't crimes. Most of them were his incredibly broad interpretation of "suspicious."

And again, in calling about Trayvon, it sure appears as if he got it absolutely wrong, as he was not on drugs and was unarmed.
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