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Old 03-08-2012, 12:50 PM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 04-01-2012, 06:38 PM   #2356
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I think you need to read the call log. And stop and think how you would feel if this guy was your neighbor. The majority of the things he was reporting weren't crimes. Most of them were his incredibly broad interpretation of "suspicious."

And again, in calling about Trayvon, it sure appears as if he got it absolutely wrong, as he was not on drugs and was unarmed.
You need to go look at the number of break ins that community has seen within the past year.
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Old 04-01-2012, 06:39 PM   #2357
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I think you need to read the call log. And stop and think how you would feel if this guy was your neighbor. The majority of the things he was reporting weren't crimes. Most of them were his incredibly broad interpretation of "suspicious."

And again, in calling about Trayvon, it sure appears as if he got it absolutely wrong, as he was not on drugs and was unarmed.
He was armed with the concrete that he drove GZ's head into
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Old 04-01-2012, 06:46 PM   #2358
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You need to go look at the number of break ins that community has seen within the past year.
Phew. Good thing he called in that suspicious black 7-9 year old. The community must be very thankful. And the community is probably relieved too that he's going to call 911 every time you have a visiting car that he doesn't recognize. I'm sure the neighbors are also relieved that he nabbed the Slim Jim bandit.

Give me a ****ing break. This isn't normal activity. This is an overzealous guy who is profiling every single person he doesn't like the look of and calling 911 and reporting them as suspicious. While you want extra security if the streets are dangerous, it doesn't justify calling the cops on every single person walking around as if you're some kind of detective cracking the code.

The guy was overzealous.
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Old 04-01-2012, 06:51 PM   #2359
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Phew. Good thing he called in that suspicious black 7-9 year old. The community must be very thankful. And the community is probably relieved too that he's going to call 911 every time you have a visiting car that he doesn't recognize. I'm sure the neighbors are also relieved that he nabbed the Slim Jim bandit.

Give me a ****ing break. This isn't normal activity. This is an overzealous guy who is profiling every single person he doesn't like the look of and calling 911 and reporting them as suspicious. While you want extra security if the streets are dangerous, it doesn't justify calling the cops on every single person walking around as if you're some kind of detective cracking the code.

The guy was overzealous.

Just think... Had Tyvon decided to call 911 instead of commiting a felony assault on GZ he would be alive today.
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Old 04-01-2012, 06:55 PM   #2360
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Just think... Had Tyvon decided to call 911 instead of commiting a felony assault on GZ he would be alive today.
It's a fact Martin committed felony assault? We know this?
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Old 04-01-2012, 06:56 PM   #2361
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He was armed with the concrete that he drove GZ's head into
You're right and I'm glad you pointed that out. I just called the cops on some hispanic guy walking in front of my house. Looked mighty suspicious. 911 asked me to describe him and I told the dispatcher: "Sir, this guy is walking on concrete. I'm afraid he's going to smash my head against it."

Zimmerman was armed. Trayvon was not. That being the case, Zimmerman AGAIN had a duty to not provoke a situation where he would be forced to use his gun in self defense. By the way, Zimmerman claims this was on a grocery run. So you have to imagine a guy who packs heat to go to the grocery store, just in case there's a dangerous situation that unravels in the produce section as two black guys fight over onions. You are making a completely rash assumption that Martin's actions weren't in retaliation to a provocation on Zimmerman's part or as a matter of his own self defense. The only reason hands would come into play is if Zimmerman got into close enough range that Martin could reach him. And that's where the story gets dicey. Why did Zimmerman put himself in a situation at all where he could get into that range, as we know he was walking when Trayvon approached him, and Trayvon then ran away.
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Old 04-01-2012, 06:57 PM   #2362
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Just think... Had Tyvon decided to call 911 instead of commiting a felony assault on GZ he would be alive today.
That's funny. You seem pretty convinced he's guilty of felony assault.

Why is it that Zimmerman kills a guy and it's self defense. But you're absolutely convinced that Trayvon assaulted a guy without provocation?
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Old 04-01-2012, 07:05 PM   #2363
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It's a fact Martin committed felony assault? We know this?
If he would have just shot him he would be in jail... No?
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That's funny. You seem pretty convinced he's guilty of felony assault.

Why is it that Zimmerman kills a guy and it's self defense. But you're absolutely convinced that Trayvon assaulted a guy without provocation?
Because following someone dose not justify a brutal attack and I haven't heard any eye witness account that he did anything to provoke an attack...

Have you?
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Old 04-01-2012, 07:07 PM   #2364
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Phew. Good thing he called in that suspicious black 7-9 year old. The community must be very thankful. And the community is probably relieved too that he's going to call 911 every time you have a visiting car that he doesn't recognize. I'm sure the neighbors are also relieved that he nabbed the Slim Jim bandit.

Give me a ****ing break. This isn't normal activity. This is an overzealous guy who is profiling every single person he doesn't like the look of and calling 911 and reporting them as suspicious. While you want extra security if the streets are dangerous, it doesn't justify calling the cops on every single person walking around as if you're some kind of detective cracking the code.

The guy was overzealous.
How many times was he charged or even reprimanded for misusing 911?
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Old 04-01-2012, 07:09 PM   #2365
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How many times was he charged or even reprimanded for misusing 911?
Dude, that stuff don't matter and you know it... You must be a racist
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Old 04-01-2012, 07:23 PM   #2366
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If he would have just shot him he would be in jail... No?


Because following someone dose not justify a brutal attack and I haven't heard any eye witness account that he did anything to provoke an attack...

Have you?

Could Zimmerman have physically tried to restrain Martin? Would Martin have been justified in using force in return?
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Old 04-01-2012, 07:27 PM   #2367
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If he would have just shot him he would be in jail... No?


Because following someone dose not justify a brutal attack and I haven't heard any eye witness account that he did anything to provoke an attack...

Have you?
The 911 call indicates Trayvon ran away. That's a pretty clear sign that Trayvon viewed Zimmerman as threatening. Mind you, as this was going on, let me again remind you that Zimmerman was armed and Trayvon was not.
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Take a look at this map. Zimmerman's account indicates that he was walking back to his car when Trayvan assaulted him. If Zimmerman was going to the grocery store, as he claims, then that means he parked his car and walked a LONG way to investigate this suspicious activity. Secondly, your impartiality shows. You are buying into Zimmerman's story that Trayvan ran away from Zimmerman, then ran all the way back to confront Zimmerman. There's another side of the story that Zimmerman didn't give up pursuit after the 911 call and proactively went after Trayvan.

Let me remind you of one last point. Several eyewitnesses say it was very, very dark at the place where the scuffle and shooting occurred. It's clear that Trayvan was on his way to his dad's girlfriend's house, as that is a path he had to be on to get there. You have to continue to ask yourself (and again, look at the map): What the **** is George Zimmerman doing in that specific space in an area that's completely dark? It's not like he was investigating this whole thing in a public space in broad daylight. And if you're Trayvan and you see this strange, big guy in the dark who is clearly following you suspiciously... what would your reaction be?
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Old 04-01-2012, 07:33 PM   #2368
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Old 04-01-2012, 07:39 PM   #2369
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Could Zimmerman have physically tried to restrain Martin? Would Martin have been justified in using force in return?
Zimmerman could have easily been killed had he tried to restrain Martin...


Now Martin couldn't have beaten him to death (unless it was a couple of punches) but he could have shot Zimmerman if Trayvon was in a place he had the right to be and he was not engaged in a crime at the time of the incident if Zimmerman made him fear he was about to be seriously injured or killed.


I don't think a 5"10 Zimmerman would try to mess with a 6 foot 3 Trayvon
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The law would be the same for Trayvon just like Zimmerman had the roles been reversed. Trayvon would have gotten weapons charges though since he was not old enough to own a handgun.
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