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Old 03-08-2012, 12:50 PM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 04-01-2012, 07:43 PM   #2371
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Zimmerman could have easily been killed had he tried to restrain Martin...


Now Martin couldn't have beaten him to death (unless it was a couple of punches) but he could have shot Zimmerman if Trayvon was in a place he had the right to be and he was not engaged in a crime at the time of the incident.
Again, I too think Martin probably assaulted Zimmerman. But again ask yourself what the **** Zimmerman is doing in that specific area he was in. And then combine that with the fact that it was dark and rainy, and eyewitnesses admit that it was too dark in that area to get a clear visual. I am not as interested in if Zimmerman was defending himself when he shot Martin (I believe he was), I am a lot more interested in whether he provoked the situation and whether Trayvon had any reason to feel threatened. We already know from Zimmerman's initial 911 call that Trayvon was threatened enough to run away.


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I don't think a 5"10 Zimmerman would try to mess with a 6 foot 3 Trayvon
Isn't this the same guy who tried to mess with a cop? Let's not pretend that his history of abuse and anger issues doesn't play a very big part in forming an opinion of how much he may have provoked or escalated this. Don't play this baloney card that Zimmerman would have somehow been intimidated by Martin.
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Old 04-01-2012, 07:46 PM   #2372
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Experts are saying it wasn't Zimmerman yelling for help.
The expert with a BA in history who used a software program you can download on the net?
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Old 04-01-2012, 07:47 PM   #2373
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Again, I too think Martin probably assaulted Zimmerman. But again ask yourself what the **** Zimmerman is doing in that specific area he was in. And then combine that with the fact that it was dark and rainy, and eyewitnesses admit that it was too dark in that area to get a clear visual. I am not as interested in if Zimmerman was defending himself when he shot Martin (I believe he was), I am a lot more interested in whether he provoked the situation.



Isn't this the same guy who tried to mess with a cop? Let's not pretend that his history of abuse and anger issues doesn't play a very big part in forming an opinion of how much he may have provoked or escalated this. Don't play this baloney card that Zimmerman would have somehow been intimidated by Martin.

That cop thing has been explained

It started out as felony assault on a cop , then reduced to misdemeanor then completely dropped..

What i read was he was in a bar and plain clothes cops were doing an underage sting... Zimmermans buddy was about to get into a fight and Zimmerman stepped in to break it up...

The charges were dropped and judges take assault on a police officer serious... So you make up your own mind about that.
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Old 04-01-2012, 08:06 PM   #2374
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Ok here it is, I was off a little


Zimmerman was arrested in 2005 and charged with resisting officer with violence and battery of law enforcement officer, both which are third-degree felonies. The charge was reduced to resisting officer without violence and then waived when he entered an alcohol education program. Zimmerman also had an ex-fiance make a court allegation of domestic violence.
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Old 04-01-2012, 08:11 PM   #2375
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Ok here it is, I was off a little


Zimmerman was arrested in 2005 and charged with resisting officer with violence and battery of law enforcement officer, both which are third-degree felonies. The charge was reduced to resisting officer without violence and then waived when he entered an alcohol education program. Zimmerman also had an ex-fiance make a court allegation of domestic violence.
The greater point is... is the history there? Absolutely. Even more damning if others can corroborate the story that he was fired from his security job for being too aggressive and for throwing a woman because she was a little bit drunk. This guy has a serious, serious pattern of anger issues and you'd have to be naive to think that he was just terribly unlucky and that trouble came to him, as opposed to him inviting trouble on most occasions.

And to your original point... this is a guy who wanted to be a cop. A guy who was in the security business. A guy who appointed himself as a Neighborhood Watch captain. Couple that with an aggressive background, are you really going to try to sell the story that he was afraid of getting into a fight?
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Old 04-01-2012, 09:04 PM   #2376
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I don't think the guy is an angel, never said that.... I am going strictly by the way the law is written... Asshole,hothead,dumbass does not matter, he still has a right to defend himself from a brutal attack
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Old 04-01-2012, 09:26 PM   #2377
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I don't think the guy is an angel, never said that.... I am going strictly by the way the law is written... Asshole,hothead,dumbass does not matter, he still has a right to defend himself from a brutal attack
Why do you think Trayvon just inexplicably decided to attack just yards away from home? I know Zimmerman said that, but obviously he would, since he's trying to save his own ass.
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Old 04-01-2012, 09:27 PM   #2378
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Experts are saying it wasn't Zimmerman yelling for help.
bump. 2 different experts using 2 different techniques have concluded that the voice yelling for help was not Zimmerman.
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Old 04-01-2012, 09:30 PM   #2379
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I don't think the guy is an angel, never said that.... I am going strictly by the way the law is written... Asshole,hothead,dumbass does not matter, he still has a right to defend himself from a brutal attack
Or, alternatively, he has the right to attack someone else and shoot them when they fight back.
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Old 04-01-2012, 10:51 PM   #2380
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Why do you think Trayvon just inexplicably decided to attack just yards away from home? I know Zimmerman said that, but obviously he would, since he's trying to save his own ass.
Because he's a young black thug/ dumbass psuedo tough guys on CP
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Old 04-01-2012, 11:20 PM   #2381
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If you're hitting someone, you knuckles at minimum are going to be swollen. If Zimmerman's story added up there would be trauma to Trayvon's hands. No indications of that though according to the funeral director.
Of all the knuckles I've busted none of them has ever been from punching someone in the nose, it's too soft of a target.
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Old 04-01-2012, 11:51 PM   #2382
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Of all the knuckles I've busted none of them has ever been from punching someone in the nose, it's too soft of a target.
that's because you wear brass knuckles, you can't fool me...
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Old 04-02-2012, 12:09 AM   #2383
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Of all the knuckles I've busted none of them has ever been from punching someone in the nose, it's too soft of a target.
so is that the only punch you got in?
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Old 04-02-2012, 12:50 AM   #2384
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bump. 2 different experts using 2 different techniques have concluded that the voice yelling for help was not Zimmerman.
both are hacks trying to get free publicity... you can NOT base voiceprint analysis on such a tiny distorted recording of a recording. not to mention that many many people think the "science" is hokum anyway. I have no doubt that the NSA has a handle on the tech IF the tech even exists to make completely reliable judgments ... but I doubt these guys do. Oh and btw.. one of the expert's methods was to LISTEN to the tape... that's it. Absolutely ZERO science.

I have no clue who yelled help but I do know that these two "experts" don't either.

You may as well ask Miss Cleo what happened.
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Old 04-02-2012, 01:15 AM   #2385
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both are hacks trying to get free publicity... you can NOT base voiceprint analysis on such a tiny distorted recording of a recording. not to mention that many many people think the "science" is hokum anyway. I have no doubt that the NSA has a handle on the tech IF the tech even exists to make completely reliable judgments ... but I doubt these guys do. Oh and btw.. one of the expert's methods was to LISTEN to the tape... that's it. Absolutely ZERO science.

I have no clue who yelled help but I do know that these two "experts" don't either.

You may as well ask Miss Cleo what happened.
but you had to pay miss cleo...
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