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Old 03-08-2012, 11:50 AM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 04-02-2012, 05:12 AM   #2386
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HAHAHAHA I seriously need to form like 30 LLCs and set myself up as an "expert" in various fields. What a complete crock of shit. The guy used "Easy Voice Biometrics" to justify his opinion (that is not a joke, that is seriously the name of the software). I'll bet that's the same software the NSA USES!!!

The "expert" has his BA in HISTORY and his prestigious company is him and his wife.

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both are hacks trying to get free publicity... you can NOT base voiceprint analysis on such a tiny distorted recording of a recording. not to mention that many many people think the "science" is hokum anyway. I have no doubt that the NSA has a handle on the tech IF the tech even exists to make completely reliable judgments ... but I doubt these guys do. Oh and btw.. one of the expert's methods was to LISTEN to the tape... that's it. Absolutely ZERO science.

I have no clue who yelled help but I do know that these two "experts" don't either.

You may as well ask Miss Cleo what happened.
I think it his daughter actually.

In your research to discredit the guy you forgot to mention the guy has worked with many police depts, the FBI and even Homeland Security using voice analysis to confirm the identity of Osama bin Laden. Has also been a expert witness on voice analysis in many court cases. Is quite published in the field of voice analysis and looks to have quite a few accomplisments in the field.

I don't know why or how you somehow think voice analysis has no merit if it isn't done by the NSA. Voice analysis is used throughout courts across this country on a daily basis. With expert witnesses like Tom Owens giving testimony.
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Old 04-02-2012, 06:06 AM   #2387
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Old 04-02-2012, 06:46 AM   #2388
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but you had to pay miss cleo...
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Old 04-02-2012, 06:50 AM   #2389
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I think it his daughter actually.

In your research to discredit the guy you forgot to mention the guy has worked with many police depts, the FBI and even Homeland Security using voice analysis to confirm the identity of Osama bin Laden. Has also been a expert witness on voice analysis in many court cases. Is quite published in the field of voice analysis and looks to have quite a few accomplisments in the field.

I don't know why or how you somehow think voice analysis has no merit if it isn't done by the NSA. Voice analysis is used throughout courts across this country on a daily basis. With expert witnesses like Tom Owens giving testimony.
The analysis has absolutely no merit when used on such a garbled, distorted, short sample, much like doing an EEG on you is not going to reveal any significant brain wave activity...
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Old 04-02-2012, 07:17 AM   #2390
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so is that the only punch you got in?
I wasn’t in this particular fight, but Trayvon was and not having any scrapes on his knuckles certainly doesn’t mean he didn’t punch Zimmerman in the nose.
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Old 04-02-2012, 07:18 AM   #2391
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that's because you wear brass knuckles, you can't fool me...
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Old 04-02-2012, 07:52 AM   #2392
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OK, makes sense. But it seems there is grey area for this law. Different people are going to have different interpretations of feeling threatened, and feeling their life in in danger, but actual physical assault would make it justified it seems.

What if the man came out with no weapon, but approached the car saying, "I'm gonna kill you."? Would you have to wait until he physically attacked you?
I don't have a link or anything....but I remember reading about a woman who was dealing with a road rage guy and she took an exit to try to get away from him. the exit ramp had cars on it so she had to stop. the road rage dude jumped out of his car and ran up to her window and she shot him. she did not go to jail. he scared the shit out of her and she obviously tried to get away from him but he pushed the issue. RIP dude.
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Old 04-02-2012, 07:57 AM   #2393
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Scenario

Guy pulls a knife and tells me to give him my wallet...

I reach for my wallet but grab my gun instead and shoot him... = Justified

But

If I give him my wallet and he runs and I then take out my gun and shoot him while he is running away = Murder
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not true.
acutally....in Missouri....according to my CCW intructor (took the class like 6/7 years ago) if I shoot you while you are in the act of a felony....I will probably get away with it. his example....you are in the back of a QT and a gunman walks in and puts a gun to the employees head. I asked the instructor point blank....if I sneak up behind the guy and shoot him in the head am I justified. he said yes, but still, I gotta defend myself in a court of law and spend my money doing so.
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Old 04-02-2012, 07:59 AM   #2394
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I am in a convenience store and a robber comes in and has the gun pointed at the cashiers head, he does not see me... I take aim on his head and shoot, killing him... I am justified because I feared for the cashiers life and the man was in the act of a Felony.

or

Robber points gun at me during robbery, then looks away and I shoot him... = Justified
well SHIT R8ers....guess I should have read the VERY NEXT POST before I siad the VERY SAME THING. my bad!
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The analysis has absolutely no merit when used on such a garbled, distorted, short sample, much like doing an EEG on you is not going to reveal any significant brain wave activity...
I don't know about that as I don't have any credentials in voice analysis. What credentials do you hold in voice analysis?

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I'll leave the voice analysis up to those that have the credentials to do so. And evidently there are two of of them with the credentials using different techniques that say different than you.
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Old 04-02-2012, 08:22 AM   #2396
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have never been in a scrap I didn't come away with a jammed finger, bloody knuckle or two, bout 15 years ago I broke my thumb on some idiots face. that did hurt for years. I'm not an agressive, but I don't take much to go.

I say this ****er is lying.

tell ya what, how about you test the theory this dude eff'd himself up by hitting your face on the pavement and then falling backward on your crown. see if you can imitate getting your nose broke. I expect a full report by morning.
I'm not proud of it....but I was young and dumb once and I've been in scraps. there were times I'd mess someone up and walk away without a scratch. (I really believed they had it coming for what it's worth!) it just depends you know? I've beat a dudes ass and clearly won the fight and walked around with a black eye for a few weeks because he got that one punch in. it just depends.
I'd love to know the truth. the pic of Trayvon showing him looking like a little kid pisses me off and makes me think they are trying to hide stuff. Zimmerman is an absolute frigging DUMBASS, but I'm not yet convinced he's a murderer.....not yet.....
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Old 04-02-2012, 08:27 AM   #2397
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Uh...

you guys all know that dead people don't bruise,right?

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Old 04-02-2012, 08:39 AM   #2398
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which makes me think of the hot blonde witnesses comment. (man she's hot) she said she knew it wasn't Z because the screams/crying/whatever ceased as soon as the gun went off.
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Old 04-02-2012, 08:45 AM   #2399
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which makes me think of the hot blonde witnesses comment. (man she's hot) she said she knew it wasn't Z because the screams/crying/whatever ceased as soon as the gun went off.
Correction. She said it was M she heard, not Z.

And She's NOT hot, but we can disagree on that one.

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Old 04-02-2012, 08:50 AM   #2400
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Uh...

you guys all know that dead people don't bruise,right?

I think it has something to do with blood not being able to rush to the area or something because the blood is not flowing...
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