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Old 03-08-2012, 11:50 AM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 04-02-2012, 02:57 PM   #2461
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Wondering that myself.... Hell I hear public service ads telling people to report suspicious activity on the radio all the time....

Is that taking the law into his own hands?
No, not at all, just referring to what he was instructed to do by the 911 operator.
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Old 04-02-2012, 02:58 PM   #2462
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Wondering that myself.... Hell I hear public service ads telling people to report suspicious activity on the radio all the time....

Is that taking the law into his own hands?
REPORT it. NOT PURSUE it.

I know, I know. "It's not illegal to pursue, and 911 operators don't know wtf they're talking about."

However, pursuing after being told it's not necessary can be seen as vigilantism, which can be described as taking the law into your own hands.

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Old 04-02-2012, 02:58 PM   #2463
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Oh and to all those race baiters out there....

If both T AND Z were white, I would still think that Z was in the right
If Z was black and T was white... Z would still be within the law
If both were black Z would be within the law
If Z was Muslim he would be within the law.
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Old 04-02-2012, 02:58 PM   #2464
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When the 911 operator instructed Zimmerman that he did not need to give chase to Trayvon, Zimmerman would have been wise to listen.
Is that illegal? I'm still not seeing where he took the law into his own hands.
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Old 04-02-2012, 02:59 PM   #2465
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When the 911 operator instructed Zimmerman that he did not need to give chase to Trayvon, Zimmerman would have been wise to listen.
the Dispatcher never told Zimmerman not to follow Trayvon, They did ask if he was pursuing Martin. Zimmerman said yes, and they said we don't need you to do that.

Not that it would have mattered one way or another but if thats a part you are clinging to then it needs to be corrected.
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Old 04-02-2012, 03:00 PM   #2466
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According to the race baiters, observing the actions of someone in a public place is justification to be assaulted.
In your own neighborhood, no less.
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Old 04-02-2012, 03:00 PM   #2467
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Is that illegal? I'm still not seeing where he took the law into his own hands.
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At 7:13, two minutes into Zimmerman's call, he tells the police operator: "S---, he's running."

A beeping sound is heard, indicating that he has opened his car door. Zimmerman went after Trayvon and, out of breath, muttered profanities. He lost sight of him.

"Are you following him?" the operator asked.

"Yeah."

"Okay, we don't need you to do that."
He had absolutely no business chasing Trayvon down.
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Old 04-02-2012, 03:01 PM   #2468
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When the 911 operator instructed Zimmerman that he did not need to give chase to Trayvon, Zimmerman would have been wise to listen.
I'm sure that in hindsight, he would agree with you. Now when did he try to take the law into his own hands, again?
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Old 04-02-2012, 03:01 PM   #2469
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REPORT it. NOT PURSUE it.

I know, I know. "It's not illegal to pursue, and 911 operators don't know wtf they're talking about."

However, pursuing after being told it's not necessary can be seen as vigilantism, which can be described as taking the law into your own hands.

vigalante - a self-appointed doer of justice.
Pure speculation...

Vigilantes take the law into their own hands, they don't call 911
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REPORT it. NOT PURSUE it.

I know, I know. "It's not illegal to pursue, and 911 operators don't know wtf they're talking about."

However, pursuing after being told it's not necessary can be seen as vigilantism, which can be described as taking the law into your own hands.

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. We have no idea why he followed him or what happened when he did for certain other then Trayvon beating on Zimmerman and Trayvon getting shot by Zimmerman. He could have been just tailing him so the authorities would know where he was at when they arrived. It doesn't sound like he attempted a citizens arrest.
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He had absolutely no business chasing Trayvon down.
Well if he was chasing he didn't do a good job because T is said to have come up to him from behind...
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Old 04-02-2012, 03:03 PM   #2472
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Delivering pizzas one night, I had a crazy bastard cut me off and was speeding like a bastard, weaving in and out of traffic. I got mad as hell and started to follow him, while dialing 911. The 911 operator told me they had many other calls on this and that they had dispatched officers. She told me if I was following the driver that I should NOT do that and so I quit the chase. No idea if they caught the little bastard or not. But afaiwc, 911 told me not to, so I didn't.

Have to wait for all the details, but I'd say it's pretty hard to say that this incident couldn't have been avoided if Zimmerman had simply not pursued Martin. Once it got beyond that though, we need all the details and facts to come out before making a judgement.
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Old 04-02-2012, 03:06 PM   #2473
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A lot of people have egg on their face right now.
Definitely looks that way.
Also read one of the police reports, where the officer reported the Zimmerman had blood on the back of his head and was bleeding from his nose. That evidence backs up Zimmermans story.
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He had absolutely no business chasing Trayvon down.
What law did he break following a suspicous person?
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Delivering pizzas one night, I had a crazy bastard cut me off and was speeding like a bastard, weaving in and out of traffic. I got mad as hell and started to follow him, while dialing 911. The 911 operator told me they had many other calls on this and that they had dispatched officers. She told me if I was following the driver that I should NOT do that and so I quit the chase. No idea if they caught the little bastard or not. But afaiwc, 911 told me not to, so I didn't.

Have to wait for all the details, but I'd say it's pretty hard to say that this incident couldn't have been avoided if Zimmerman had simply not pursued Martin. Once it got beyond that though, we need all the details and facts to come out before making a judgement.
...so. You're the one.
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