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Old 03-08-2012, 11:50 AM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 04-02-2012, 05:48 PM   #2566
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Old 04-02-2012, 05:50 PM   #2567
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Old 04-02-2012, 06:06 PM   #2568
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already said a 100 times I am going by the police report and not the thoughts of the Liberal Media Lynch Mob

Do you not get that ?
In all fairness, it's hard to trust a police report given how incompetent they've looked throughout this whole ordeal. Even worse that they look like a desperate group trying to cover their ass by leaking information about Trayvon's suspension and supposedly trying to cover up the 911 tapes.

Because the police seemed to have done such a lousy job, we are left to speculate, and when we speculate, we go in a million different directions to fill in the gaps. You're right that the mob has taken this to a wrong level, but if there's anything to be appalled at, it's the mentality of the police that they could sort of lazily handle this matter and then sweep it under the rug. That's a major insult to a parent who just lost their son. Hell, it's an insult to Zimmerman too--if the police had taken photographs of Zimmerman's injuries, we wouldn't have these ridiculous conversations about grainy film. If they secured eyewitness statements weeks ago, we wouldn't have surprise witnesses coming out of the woodwork.
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Old 04-02-2012, 06:20 PM   #2569
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In all fairness, it's hard to trust a police report given how incompetent they've looked throughout this whole ordeal. Even worse that they look like a desperate group trying to cover their ass by leaking information about Trayvon's suspension and supposedly trying to cover up the 911 tapes.

Because the police seemed to have done such a lousy job, we are left to speculate, and when we speculate, we go in a million different directions to fill in the gaps. You're right that the mob has taken this to a wrong level, but if there's anything to be appalled at, it's the mentality of the police that they could sort of lazily handle this matter and then sweep it under the rug. That's a major insult to a parent who just lost their son. Hell, it's an insult to Zimmerman too--if the police had taken photographs of Zimmerman's injuries, we wouldn't have these ridiculous conversations about grainy film. If they secured eyewitness statements weeks ago, we wouldn't have surprise witnesses coming out of the woodwork.
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Old 04-02-2012, 06:55 PM   #2570
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Another thing about my hypothetical common man doing a pros job, NONE OF THEM WERE EMERGENCY SITUATIONS!

Much like someone walking down the street isn't an emergency.

You can wait for a dentist, a lawyer, and a pilot.

You can't always wait for a firetruck or EMT.

If Zimmerman's so 911 happy, why didn't he call them himself after the shot instead of asking for others to call them. No accounts have him going into EMT mode.

Zimmerman went from Columbo mode, to tracker mode, to survivalist mode, why not go into Dr do-something mode next.
One of the witness accounts has Z asking someone to call 911 after the shooting. Is that good enough or should he have dialed the phone himself?
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Old 04-02-2012, 07:22 PM   #2571
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One of the witness accounts has Z asking someone to call 911 after the shooting. Is that good enough or should he have dialed the phone himself?
If it was handy, yes he should have dialed himself. If he had lost it, obviously no. This the something I wondered. If he's saying he exchanged words with Martin then grabbed his phone to call the police while returning to his car, did he make another call to them? So far, that's a negative. If not, why not? Did Martin intercept him? He says Martin jumped him, but it seems odd that Zimmerman would turn his back to his suspect while he's in striking distance without dialing the phone with his eyes still on Martin.

The witness also said they had to ask him if things were ok three times before he responded. And he was just standing over him as if Martin was going somewhere I guess.
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Old 04-02-2012, 08:04 PM   #2572
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According to the Uniform Crime Report for 2009, among people 18 or younger, blacks were charged with 58 percent of murder and non-negligent manslaughter, 67 percent of robberies, 42 percent of aggravated assaults and 43 percent of auto thefts. As for murder, more than 90 percent of the time, their victims were black. These statistics show a strong interconnection among race, youth and crime.


Now a question for all the leftists who pride themselves on being scientists and rational thinkers ().

Based on these facts, is it rational for a citizen to assume the worst when they see young black men in public? Or is it raythitht?
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Based on these facts, is it rational for a citizen to assume the worst when they see young black men in public? Or is it raythitht?
I'm pretty sure that 99.9% of all rapists are men. Therefore, when men are seen in public, shouldn't people just assume they are rapists?

I don't know if you're trolling or hopelessly jaded. Congrats on that.

If you're trolling, GFY. If your jaded, maybe you got your ass handed to you by a black person once, I'm sorry.
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According to the Uniform Crime Report for 2009, among people 18 or younger, blacks were charged with 58 percent of murder and non-negligent manslaughter, 67 percent of robberies, 42 percent of aggravated assaults and 43 percent of auto thefts. As for murder, more than 90 percent of the time, their victims were black. These statistics show a strong interconnection among race, youth and crime.


Now a question for all the leftists who pride themselves on being scientists and rational thinkers ().

Based on these facts, is it rational for a citizen to assume the worst when they see young black men in public? Or is it raythitht?
Jesus dude, I get what you are saying, but I think you can't assume anything about a person just walking down the street. And even if you assume something, you can't go acting on your assumptions.

Statistically, young black men are committing way more crimes, but you can't just assume they are all out committing crimes.
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If it was handy, yes he should have dialed himself. If he had lost it, obviously no. This the something I wondered. If he's saying he exchanged words with Martin then grabbed his phone to call the police while returning to his car, did he make another call to them? So far, that's a negative. If not, why not? Did Martin intercept him? He says Martin jumped him, but it seems odd that Zimmerman would turn his back to his suspect while he's in striking distance without dialing the phone with his eyes still on Martin.

The witness also said they had to ask him if things were ok three times before he responded. And he was just standing over him as if Martin was going somewhere I guess.
The guy was just in a fight. A fight in which he claims that he feared for his life and in which he ended up killing a man. I think that under those circumstances it would be pretty understandable if he was shaken up a bit. Are you really going to let your opinion hang on the difference between the guy calling out something to the effect of "someone call the police" and the guy dialing them up on his own?
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According to the Uniform Crime Report for 2009, among people 18 or younger, blacks were charged with 58 percent of murder and non-negligent manslaughter, 67 percent of robberies, 42 percent of aggravated assaults and 43 percent of auto thefts. As for murder, more than 90 percent of the time, their victims were black. These statistics show a strong interconnection among race, youth and crime.


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Based on these facts, is it rational for a citizen to assume the worst when they see young black men in public? Or is it raythitht?
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The guy was just in a fight. A fight in which he claims that he feared for his life and in which he ended up killing a man. I think that under those circumstances it would be pretty understandable if he was shaken up a bit. Are you really going to let your opinion hang on the difference between the guy calling out something to the effect of "someone call the police" and the guy dialing them up on his own?
No, I'm not basing my opinion solely on that. However, if it was Zimmermen that was screaming for help, that call for help should have continued after the shot. Instead he seemly went into shock, and froze for a time. And if he's going to freeze, maybe he shouldn't be roaming the streets for "suspects." And if he shouldn't be looking for suspects, why was he doing it?
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Jesus dude, I get what you are saying, but I think you can't assume anything about a person just walking down the street. And even if you assume something, you can't go acting on your assumptions.

Statistically, young black men are committing way more crimes, but you can't just assume they are all out committing crimes.
Why can't you? And why would it be irrational for white people to want to avoid black people, particularly young black men? By doing so, you quantifiably decrease any potential of being a crime victim.

YOu see the way they act, you see how your "tolerance" or giving any benefit of the doubt is rewarded with belligerence and antagonism---

At what point do you throw up your hands in disgust, and say, ok Let's just not interact any more, because come to think of it, I lose nothing. In fact, I gain in the bargain. I don't need the aggravation.
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Statistically, young black men are committing way more crimes, but you can't just assume they are all out committing crimes.
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