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Old 03-08-2012, 12:50 PM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 04-02-2012, 10:12 PM   #2581
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Why can't you? And why would it be irrational for white people to want to avoid black people, particularly young black men? By doing so, you quantifiably decrease any potential of being a crime victim.

YOu see the way they act, you see how your "tolerance" or giving any benefit of the doubt is rewarded with belligerence and antagonism---

At what point do you throw up your hands in disgust, and say, ok Let's just not interact any more, because come to think of it, I lose nothing. In fact, I gain in the bargain. I don't need the aggravation.
Better yet we can just create areas where black people are not allowed, and then white people will never encounter them.

Or personally, one can just cut off ties to all society and they'll never be a victim of any crime ever. Granted a few years of isolation and they may start sending out pipe bombs.
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Old 04-02-2012, 10:12 PM   #2582
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No, I'm not basing my opinion solely on that. However, if it was Zimmermen that was screaming for help, that call for help should have continued after the shot. Instead he seemly went into shock, and froze for a time. And if he's going to freeze, maybe he shouldn't be roaming the streets for "suspects." And if he shouldn't be looking for suspects, why was he doing it?
Good grief. Have you ever killed a man up close? Don't you think that might be enough to rattle you a bit?
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Old 04-02-2012, 10:14 PM   #2583
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yes.
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Old 04-02-2012, 10:20 PM   #2584
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Better yet we can just create areas where black people are not allowed, and then white people will never encounter them..
No, there should not be any government coercion. If you want to live with blacks, then that should be your choice. Go for it.
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Old 04-02-2012, 10:24 PM   #2585
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Good grief. Have you ever killed a man up close? Don't you think that might be enough to rattle you a bit?
I've never, but I'm learning how to avoid prosecution here.

So we should put the GZ's feelings above TM's well being? The guy who put HIMSELF on duty, but froze when things got serious.

Another irony in this that while Zimmerman felt the need to carry gun, which was his legal right, before, in the future he may want/need a gun just to mind his own business, but won't be allowed to carry. I'm not saying he should be publicly harassed, it's just a matter of fact.
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Old 04-02-2012, 10:25 PM   #2586
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No, there should not be any government coercion. If you want to live with blacks, then that should be your choice. Go for it.
OK, when you watch this KU UK game, what do you see? Do you see 8-10 criminals and 1-2 white guys, or do you see 10 athletes?
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Old 04-02-2012, 10:33 PM   #2587
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I've never, but I'm learning how to avoid prosecution here.

So we should put the GZ's feelings above TM's well being? The guy who put HIMSELF on duty, but froze when things got serious.

Another irony in this that while Zimmerman felt the need to carry gun, which was his legal right, before, in the future he may want/need a gun just to mind his own business, but won't be allowed to carry. I'm not saying he should be publicly harassed, it's just a matter of fact.
You are making no sense. We're not talking about putting GZ's feelings above TM's well being. We're talking about whether GZ's actions (which are necessarily impacted by his feelings) are consistent with a man who should be shielded from prosecution by the stand your ground law.

Despite calling 911 himself before the shooting and imploring an onlooker to call the cops after the shooting, you really really want to conclude that something's fishy because he didn't call them himself in the immediate aftermath of the killing. That's ridiculous.
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No, there should not be any government coercion. If you want to live with blacks, then that should be your choice. Go for it.
why thank you, thank you very much...

a number of my grand nephews and nieces are black and thankfully they haven't murdered anybody yet...

my wife is brown, does that count too, or is it only black people?
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You are making no sense. We're not talking about putting GZ's feelings above TM's well being. We're talking about whether GZ's actions (which are necessarily impacted by his feelings) are consistent with a man who should be shielded from prosecution by the stand your ground law.

Despite calling 911 himself before the shooting and imploring an onlooker to call the cops after the shooting, you really really want to conclude that something's fishy because he didn't call them himself in the immediate aftermath of the killing. That's ridiculous.
And you're empathizing with how Zimmerman may have felt after the shooting and I'm empathizing with how Martin may have felt.

Well played sir. I'm out for a while.
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OK, when you watch this KU UK game, what do you see? Do you see 8-10 criminals and 1-2 white guys, or do you see 10 athletes?
I see 5 criminals who just stole the National Championship and 5 losers.
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OK, when you watch this KU UK game, what do you see? Do you see 8-10 criminals and 1-2 white guys, or do you see 10 athletes?
Well see, that's your chosen control group. How about Tarkanian's UNLV squad or Huggins Cincinnati squad?

Which control group more accurately portrays the general populations values?
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why thank you, thank you very much...

a number of my grand nephews and nieces are black and thankfully they haven't murdered anybody yet...

my wife is brown, does that count too, or is it only black people?
Yes there are good black people, great black people in fact. But if I'm going to err on the side of self preservation, I'm going to do that. And for all the decent, law abiding black citizens, unfortunately far too many of them their sympathies lie with their criminal class. They will side with a black over a white based entirely on race, regardless of the pathological or dysfunctional behavior exhibited by that person. If I can avoid having to deal with this sub standard set of values, I will.

Why is that wrong?
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already said a 100 times I am going by the police report and not the thoughts of the Liberal Media Lynch Mob

Do you not get that ?
Why?

The police report said "Zimmerman told us this happened", not "this is what we think happened". Police reports that rely on the statement of someone who has every motive to lie if they are guilty are not determinative at all. They had to write down Zimmerman's bullcrap story, but despite that report which you seem to place so much weight on, the cops on the scene did not believe his story and wanted an arrest before the county attorney overruled them.
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Why?

The police report said "Zimmerman told us this happened", not "this is what we think happened". Police reports that rely on the statement of someone who has every motive to lie
But his version of events was corroborated by a witness--- a 13 year old who was outted by the piss stream media.

He didn't have a motive to lie but I bet based on the threats and intimidation he's getting from blacks he's mighty motivated to change his story now.
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