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Old 03-08-2012, 11:50 AM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 04-04-2012, 09:11 AM   #2671
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You need to get off this line of thinking, unless you actually believe it, in which case you are defending the wrong guy.

Saying "he was being stalked and got scared" or "he was provoked by naughty words" doesn't fly. If he flashed his gun, thats different, but if Zimmerman hypothetically was stalking him and said something Trayvon didn't like, and from that Trayvon attacked and began to bash his head in... then yes, in that case deadly force is absolutely justified. You have every right to walk wherever the hell you want in public property, and you have an absolute right to be a jerk.
IMO, you're on the right track with the analysis, alnorth.
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Old 04-04-2012, 09:15 AM   #2672
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From the time Zimmy lost him, to the time the fatal confronation occured--- didn't Martin have sufficient time to make it back to the fathers girlfriends house?

I'm sure all of this will come out in the grand jury.

Get ready for the riots, because they are not going to be satisfied with the truth.
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Old 04-04-2012, 09:15 AM   #2673
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The incompetence of the police in this case should be enough to convince the average citizen, hey maybe it's a good idea to get a gun so I can protect myself, because the cops can't or won't, maybe they'll show up after I'm-- or a family member or friend is--- assualted, raped, murdered, so they can take a statement. But alot of good thats going to do after the fact.
yeah...I've said this before and I'm saying it again....my good friend who went missing (his body was recovered this past fall) was a cop....he told me straight up, if you are an American citizen with no felonies and you can legally get you concealed carry license and you don't....you're a fool. he said with all the shit he's seen on the job he just can't believe people won't get this done. I know this will piss off the anti-gun contingent...but I believe it whole heartedly.
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Old 04-04-2012, 09:20 AM   #2674
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You have every right to walk wherever the hell you want in public property, and you have an absolute right to be a jerk.
I'm not sure if you are saying generally speaking but if you are specifically alluding to this case, this wasn't public property, it was private property. A concept I'm confident wasn't ever discussed or explained to Trevor.
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Old 04-04-2012, 09:39 AM   #2675
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#5 - if Zimmerman reached for his phone when Trayvon confronted him, as he claims, did Trayvon have reasonable fear to think Zimmerman was reaching for a gun?
This question isn't even relevant. Martin's state of mind might explain his actions, but it doesn't have anything to do with whether or not Zimmerman's actions were legitimate self defense.
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Old 04-04-2012, 09:55 AM   #2676
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In Florida you have the right to pack especially in the neighborhood you live in and the right to defend yourself. And he was licensed to carry. Otherwise this would have been an issue already and he would have been arrested if he was not in his legal rights. Thus why there has been no arrest of GZ.
If he is assigned as a neighborhood watch captain and infofmedthat he is basically a citizen on patrol then it's different. Most of these programs explicitly forbid carrying a gun while on patrol. Either Zimmerman knew the rules and ignored them or the hoa didn't tell him.. In either event he shouldn't have been carrying if he was carrying out the his duties.
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Old 04-04-2012, 10:18 AM   #2677
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From the time Zimmy lost him, to the time the fatal confronation occured--- didn't Martin have sufficient time to make it back to the fathers girlfriends house?

I'm sure all of this will come out in the grand jury.

Get ready for the riots, because they are not going to be satisfied with the truth.
I don't understand the map. is "F" where the shooting took place? Is there a page that explains the map?

I'm sure it's been in this mega thread but I haven't paid close enough attention if so.
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Old 04-04-2012, 10:26 AM   #2678
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not trying to be a dick...but what WTF does that even MEAN? I guess my question is just soooo stupid huh? nobody on here has wondered the same thing....right? let me spell it out for you.....
IF and I say again IF T was on top of Z beating his head into concrete....T pretty much had to shoot him or possibly be killed.
I've been in a few scraps and I've come out on top a few times....and I've NEVER jumped on a downed dude and started smashing his head into the street. I ain't like that.
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I agree that they are reasonable questions to ask and I don't think I've ever suggested otherwise.

You can't just assume that Zimmerman started the fight though. You need evidence and we haven't seen any yet. I agree that it's reasonable to believe that Trayvon felt threatened but I don't think that changes the calculus at all. What matters is how the altercation started from Zimmerman's (reasonable) point of view, not from Martin's. And we have almost nothing to go on in that regard, beyond Zimmerman's account, of course.
That's why the accuracy of Zimmerman's account is so crucial. If there are pieces that sound inaccurate its fair to question the credibility of any of his account.. There is some stuff in his account that sounds fishy especially in terms of his motive for being here.. If his statement suggested that he was purposely patrolling the area.... That seems to jive better. Instead he tells us he accidentally endedup at that spot and accidentally confronted trayvon.
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It's also proof that Zimmerman did not walk directly back to his car. Nor did it happen near his car as his supposed original account suggested.
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I don't understand the map. is "F" where the shooting took place?
That's what I got from it.

What I'm wondering is if that "F" is 70yds from where Martin was staying? I've seen it said he was 70yds from home.
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I don't understand the map. is "F" where the shooting took place? Is there a page that explains the map?

I'm sure it's been in this mega thread but I haven't paid close enough attention if so.
It's 150 yards, tops. This kid had more than enough time and opportunity to get "home".

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It's also proof that Zimmerman did not walk directly back to his car. Nor did it happen near his car as his supposed original account suggested.
It looks like it's pretty much on Zimmerman's path back to his car to me (if the 70 yard distance mentioned in other posts is right, Zimmerman is only 10 or 15 yards off a direct path back to his car). Certainly close enough that he could have been headed back to his car when he saw Martin coming back toward him.

We're short on evidence here. That's probably why the prosecuting authority decided that they didn't have a case.
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It's 150 yards, tops. This kid had more than enough time and opportunity to get "home".

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So, "Brandy Green's Townhouse" is home?
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So, "Brandy Green's Townhouse" is home?
Yes, that's where he was supposed to be spending the evening.
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