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Old 03-08-2012, 11:50 AM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

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Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 04-04-2012, 01:07 PM   #2701
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well.....I'll admit that technically I don't obey all the laws when it comes to this.
OK...we're talking about churches, schools, hospitals, fed buildings, amusement parks, work, and bars.
all of these places have been the location of some wacko shooting people at random. especially schools and churches. I do agree, you should be able to carry anywhere. the only one I think is a little squirrelly is bars. but if you are indeed obeying the law then you ain't getting smashed and carrying. the one that I DO always obey is fed buildings. you don't want that kind of trouble. I ain't saying I carry into a school. but it's interesting how many school shootings there have been huh? wish somebody had been there with a CCW and a gun.
do I carry...at a high school football game for instance? you know what.....ain't none a yo damn bidness that's what! if I did, I'd be breaking the law. if I didn't, and the shizzle went down, I couldn't protect my people.

I don't lose any sleep over the decisions I make when it comes to my CCW choices.

EDIT - oh....by the way....work. really? I can't carry at work! most can't carry at work. man I hope some disgruntled ex-employee don't come in here shooting! we'll all be totally helpless. but hey, at least I'm following personnells stupid ****ing made up rule that basically goes against my rights as an American citizen. right? Nunya D.
I think you should not be able to carry at bars if you are drinking..

In NC , we cannot even carry in a place that serves alcohol regardless if you are drinking or not...

So if I am a criminal, and wanted to rob a restaurant, the best place would be one with a bar in NC OR ONE THAT SERVES ALCOHOL.
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Old 04-04-2012, 01:08 PM   #2702
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Old 04-04-2012, 01:18 PM   #2703
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Old 04-04-2012, 01:29 PM   #2704
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I think you should not be able to carry at bars if you are drinking..

In NC , we cannot even carry in a place that serves alcohol regardless if you are drinking or not...

So if I am a criminal, and wanted to rob someone...go anywhere that CCW isn't allowed.
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good thing all CCW folks don't follow the law EXACTLY....
here's the thing, you just NEVER ****ING KNOW! hey, it always happens to somebody else right? (and I know I'm preaching to the choir with you R8ers) funny thing is...if shit goes down and a CCW person steps up and puts a stop to it...saves lives for Gods sake...in a place where carrying is illegal....hey, if they wanna charge me for carrying where I shouldn't...then HAVE AT IT! I'll pay that price. because the ONLY way you're gonna know if I'm carrying is if I take it out! and I would ONLY do that if it was some frigging dire circumstances yo! in which case I'd...."take it out".

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Old 04-04-2012, 01:31 PM   #2705
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and thats the problem. (a problem we can't, and shouldn't fix because its the best system we've got) A jury will say "we think he's probably guilty, but we had to vote not guilty".

There's no evidence. Nothing to explain what happened, and nothing (other than logic and common sense) showing that Zimmerman is a liar.
Actually you're talking out of your ass. The only evidence is what the media has leaked. We don't know the whole story because we don't have all the evidence but the police likely do. Please quit pretending you know what's going on with this case. Nobody does.
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Old 04-04-2012, 01:42 PM   #2706
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I think you should not be able to carry at bars if you are drinking..

In NC , we cannot even carry in a place that serves alcohol regardless if you are drinking or not...

So if I am a criminal, and wanted to rob a restaurant, the best place would be one with a bar in NC OR ONE THAT SERVES ALCOHOL.
As far as robbing a bar, I guess there's a way around everything.

Guns and alcohol shouldn't mix. I know you're saying CCW wouldn't drink, but the old west had it's fair share of bar disputes. Again, not what you're saying but my friend shot himself in the foot after drinking once.

People have to enjoy their Colt45 & Colt45 at home. Or how about shotgunning your beer while cleaning your shotgun.

Really though, is it legal to have alcohol in your system while CCW? Does over/under the limit matter?
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Old 04-04-2012, 01:46 PM   #2707
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As far as robbing a bar, I guess there's a way around everything.

Guns and alcohol shouldn't mix. I know you're saying CCW wouldn't drink, but the old west had it's fair share of bar disputes. Again, not what you're saying but my friend shot himself in the foot after drinking once.

People have to enjoy their Colt45 & Colt45 at home. Or how about shotgunning your beer while cleaning your shotgun.

Really though, is it legal to have alcohol in your system while CCW? Does over/under the limit matter?
I am not allowed to CCW anywhere if I am drinking even with my valid license unless I am on my property.
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Old 04-04-2012, 01:47 PM   #2708
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Really though, is it legal to have alcohol in your system while CCW? Does over/under the limit matter?
Great question! I THINK if you are under you're OK, but man, that cop is gonna read you the riot act and call you a dumbass. my CCW instructor was basically.....DON'T DRINK AND CARRY! I don't think I ever knew the answer to this question though.
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Great question! I THINK if you are under you're OK, but man, that cop is gonna read you the riot act and call you a dumbass. my CCW instructor was basically.....DON'T DRINK AND CARRY! I don't think I ever knew the answer to this question though.
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We were told we cannot have any alcohol in our system while carrying.
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Old 04-04-2012, 02:01 PM   #2712
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hmm...all I'm seeing about missouri is that it's a felony to possess/carry a firearm while intoxicated. so if I have two beers I guess I'm OK? I'm not really sure. legally intoxicated and just saying intoxicated....not sure if they are the same thing or not.

booze & guns don't mix.
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hmm...all I'm seeing about missouri is that it's a felony to possess/carry a firearm while intoxicated. so if I have two beers I guess I'm OK? I'm not really sure. legally intoxicated and just saying intoxicated....not sure if they are the same thing or not.

booze & guns don't mix.
I was told by a cop here that say you and your wife/gf/bf decide to go out, you have your gun on you but leave it in the car because you can't take it inside a bar...

You come out after drinking and if the wife has not had any alcohol you take the gun out and put it in plain site on the dash in front of the sober driver and you are good. Law here in NC is a gun cannot be concealed without a ccw, even in a vehicle.. The way we got around this before ccw was we would just leave it on the seat covered by a towel, you get pulled just pull the towel off before he gets out of his car.
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it was only a matter of time! just remember those pieces of shit do not represent the black community as a whole. racism.....it's a bitch.

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I believe it's the culture people are brought up in and not the color of their skin....
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