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Old 03-08-2012, 11:50 AM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 04-13-2012, 08:06 AM   #2911
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This is now a tragic chapter in US History, that will continue with nationwide curfews and racial polarity. I understand the riots after the deaths RFK and MLK
The riots began before King's assassination:

http://www.67riots.rutgers.edu/d_index.htm

The Voting Rights Act and the Civil Rights Act were both signed into law before King was assassinated, and the blacks went ballistic any way.

The belligerence, antagonism and violence has continued unabated since then.

They took over university campuses like Yale, that's why you have the mindless, pseudo "african american" studies in almost all colleges today.
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Old 04-13-2012, 08:24 AM   #2912
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The sad fact is this case brings out the worst in people, not the best.
Especially when the press is corrupt and has an agenda that keep the racist fires lit 24/7.

NBC -doctored the 911 tapes
ABC- doctored the video of GZ
CNN- etc.....
MSNBC- etc......

True Justice is severely crippled when corruption in the press is present and both TM's family and GZ and his family get F'd in the long run.

That is the real sad fact.
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Old 04-13-2012, 08:36 AM   #2913
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The riots began before King's assassination:

http://www.67riots.rutgers.edu/d_index.htm

The Voting Rights Act and the Civil Rights Act were both signed into law before King was assassinated, and the blacks went ballistic any way.

The belligerence, antagonism and violence has continued unabated since then.

They took over university campuses like Yale, that's why you have the mindless, pseudo "african american" studies in almost all colleges today.
The KC riots were April 9th and 10th, 1968 (http://videos.kansascity.com/vmix_ho...dia?id=1807309), following Dr. King's murder. Remember my Mom being concerned about riots following RFK's murder, but an 8-year-old doesn't remember things too well.
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Old 04-13-2012, 08:50 AM   #2914
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The riots began before King's assassination:

http://www.67riots.rutgers.edu/d_index.htm

The Voting Rights Act and the Civil Rights Act were both signed into law before King was assassinated, and the blacks went ballistic any way.

The belligerence, antagonism and violence has continued unabated since then.

They took over university campuses like Yale, that's why you have the mindless, pseudo "african american" studies in almost all colleges today.
Yeah, these are conveniently overlooked facts.

I just laugh when I hear black people still use the phrase, "I'm down for the struggle".

The only struggle black people have that is very legit and serious is their own adopted Dem party and the radical groups(BP,NAACP,RC) that absolutely refuse to allow black people off the "entitlement Dem party plantation" that actually keeps blacks down and keeps them bitter and angry with "whitey".


But when you read "black liberation theology" that is rooted in Marxism then it all makes sense as to what is presently going on in our country. Led by our President who attended a church for over 20 yrs that taught and lived "black liberation theology" yet our President never heard nor knew of all this hate Wright has in his heart for America and "whitey" ?? A man who OMarxist called a 'mentor' who baptized his kids?

Seriously??

However, now you know the rest of the story when you hear our President make the comment, "If I had a son, he would look like Trayvon".

"Keep those racist fires lit, Mr.President" !!
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Old 04-13-2012, 09:11 AM   #2915
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Why do people say the cops handled it badly? What exactly did they not do that is driving the people crazy?
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Old 04-13-2012, 09:18 AM   #2916
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To be fair it showed an ugliness on both sides. On the flip side of the media, there was an opposite faction trying to paint trayvon as some black thug who had it coming. I don't think zimmerman will be found guilty of murder 2. But I think martins parents can win in other ways. The police handled this embarrassingly badly and I feel like a better handling of the situation would have made this less of a national issue. Regardless of race, no parent should feel like the police aren't taking the murder of their son seriously. The big win for Martin will be the HOA. For me, the biggest case of dumbassery is how they let a guy like Zimmerman with an aggressive background patrol their neighborhood with a gun. If they appointed him as neighborhood watch captain, even if in name only, how in the world can you do that without a background check or at least rigorous training. The fact that Zimmerman was calling 911 and no the police and carrying a gun indicates that he was not well trained for a big responsibility.
This whole litigious attitude is one of the things that's really wrong with our society today. Whatever happened between Zimmerman and Martin, it could have happened exactly the same way even if the HOA had never heard of Zimmerman.
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Old 04-13-2012, 11:13 AM   #2917
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This whole litigious attitude is one of the things that's really wrong with our society today. Whatever happened between Zimmerman and Martin, it could have happened exactly the same way even if the HOA had never heard of Zimmerman.
Being frivolous about suits is one thing. I don't see the problem with being litigious in this case. The fact is that a kid was shot, and it's likely that a young man was almost beaten to death. The fact is that Zimmerman was patrolling the area, which falls under the scope of the Neighborhood Watch captain duty he was assigned. It's a more than reasonable conclusion that if not for Zimmerman carrying out his duties, Trayvon Martin may never have been shot.

If this happened and Zimmerman was not recognized by the HOA as a Neighborhood Watch captain, no problem. But if the HOA recognized him as a captain, they had a duty to make sure he was properly trained in procedures that could have very easily prevented what transpired. You made the comment once that you'd be pleased as punch to know that there was a guy watching over the neighborhood. What if Zimmerman was a pedophile? A serial murderer? A legitimate racist? Can you imagine how scary that would be to know a guy like that stalking underage kids?

They didn't do a background check. They didn't register him with the Neighborhood Watch (which would have likely led to a laundry list of procedures, including either a mandate that he not carry a gun or clear procedures on how a gun should be used). They made a big mistake.
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Old 04-13-2012, 11:22 AM   #2918
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Being frivolous about suits is one thing. I don't see the problem with being litigious in this case. The fact is that a kid was shot, and it's likely that a young man was almost beaten to death. The fact is that Zimmerman was patrolling the area, which falls under the scope of the Neighborhood Watch captain duty he was assigned. It's a more than reasonable conclusion that if not for Zimmerman carrying out his duties, Trayvon Martin may never have been shot.

If this happened and Zimmerman was not recognized by the HOA as a Neighborhood Watch captain, no problem. But if the HOA recognized him as a captain, they had a duty to make sure he was properly trained in procedures that could have very easily prevented what transpired. You made the comment once that you'd be pleased as punch to know that there was a guy watching over the neighborhood. What if Zimmerman was a pedophile? A serial murderer? A legitimate racist? Can you imagine how scary that would be to know a guy like that stalking underage kids?

They didn't do a background check. They didn't register him with the Neighborhood Watch (which would have likely led to a laundry list of procedures, including either a mandate that he not carry a gun or clear procedures on how a gun should be used). They made a big mistake.
If Zimmerman took Martin's life wrongfully, Zimmerman should be the person Martin's family looks to for compensation if they look to anyone. Searching for deeper pockets on a flimsy theory of responsibility like the one you just described just so you can cash in is bullshit.
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Old 04-13-2012, 11:30 AM   #2919
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Being frivolous about suits is one thing. I don't see the problem with being litigious in this case. The fact is that a kid was shot, and it's likely that a young man was almost beaten to death. The fact is that Zimmerman was patrolling the area, which falls under the scope of the Neighborhood Watch captain duty he was assigned. It's a more than reasonable conclusion that if not for Zimmerman carrying out his duties, Trayvon Martin may never have been shot.

If this happened and Zimmerman was not recognized by the HOA as a Neighborhood Watch captain, no problem. But if the HOA recognized him as a captain, they had a duty to make sure he was properly trained in procedures that could have very easily prevented what transpired. You made the comment once that you'd be pleased as punch to know that there was a guy watching over the neighborhood. What if Zimmerman was a pedophile? A serial murderer? A legitimate racist? Can you imagine how scary that would be to know a guy like that stalking underage kids?

They didn't do a background check. They didn't register him with the Neighborhood Watch (which would have likely led to a laundry list of procedures, including either a mandate that he not carry a gun or clear procedures on how a gun should be used). They made a big mistake.
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Old 04-13-2012, 12:03 PM   #2920
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Why do people say the cops handled it badly? What exactly did they not do that is driving the people crazy?
A kid was murdered. People are shocked at how quickly the police would drop homicide charges--justified or not, if they are going to do that, you would hope and expect that they would at least try to sell their reasons for doing so. Their efforts post-homicide have been ridiculously lazy. Instead of presenting a case against Trayvon Martin, they instead leaked information about him. They tried to suppress 911 calls from the public. They seemed to stall on writing up the police report. Why is it that the only time we hear from Sanford Police, it's in reaction to some kind of news and that reaction comes days too late?

And that's not forgetting that it seems like they pretty lazily opened and shut the case. Why did it take so long to ID Trayvon and inform the concerned parents? Why doesn't there seem to be evidence about Zimmerman's shirt or about blood or gun powder on his shirt? Why does it seem like there's no in-depth video or photo evidence of Zimmerman's injuries? Why does it seem like there's no consistent view of the eyewitness accounts? And if there was any dissension among the ranks AT ALL about whether it was homicide or self defense, then why was the decision made so quickly to let him go? If this evidence was present, then why would they wait so long as the media and public drills them? It seems very likely that their response is that of a scared child who knows that they didn't do a good job, and have nothing to show for it.

From there, it's fair to question if that's laziness. Because of the laziness, there's a fair question of why they were lazy. And I think it's fair for black people to ask if race had anything to do with that. I don't think race did have anything to do with it, but it's fair to ask.
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Old 04-13-2012, 12:06 PM   #2921
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If Zimmerman took Martin's life wrongfully, Zimmerman should be the person Martin's family looks to for compensation if they look to anyone. Searching for deeper pockets on a flimsy theory of responsibility like the one you just described just so you can cash in is bullshit.
What flimsy theory?

They assigned him as a Neighborhood Watch captain in a public meeting. They sent flyers out telling people that he was the captain and that they should report suspicious behavior to him. It's not like they just told him in a conversation and Zimmerman took it the wrong way. Zimmerman had reason to believe he had greater authority to patrol, as did the community.

Again, let me stress again... if you take that paragraph I wrote and replace "Zimmerman" with "known sexual predator", this place would have a totally different reaction.
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Again, let me stress again... if you take that paragraph I wrote and replace "Zimmerman" with "known sexual predator", this place would have a totally different reaction.
The quick red fox jumps over the lazy brown dog. If you change that to “the quick red fox jumps over the known sexual predator” the story takes on an entirely different meaning.
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What flimsy theory?

They assigned him as a Neighborhood Watch captain in a public meeting. They sent flyers out telling people that he was the captain and that they should report suspicious behavior to him. It's not like they just told him in a conversation and Zimmerman took it the wrong way. Zimmerman had reason to believe he had greater authority to patrol, as did the community.

Again, let me stress again... if you take that paragraph I wrote and replace "Zimmerman" with "known sexual predator", this place would have a totally different reaction.
Nothing he did that night was dependent on him being a Neighborhood Watch captain. He was on his way to the store, he wasn't patrolling for some organized neighborhood militia.
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In Colorado you cannot be sued for using a known sexual predator. Yep, it changes the meaning of that one too!
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