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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 04-24-2012, 08:16 AM   #3196
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but Trayvon had already gotten away from Zimmerman. The altercation most likely occured when Trayvon decided to double back and attack Zimmerman. At that point he became the agressor.
there are too many unknowns about that particular point, but so far all we do know is that at this time GZ was in pursuit of his "burglar" so I don't think you would be able to convince a judge otherwise.
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Old 04-24-2012, 08:17 AM   #3197
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but Trayvon had already gotten away from Zimmerman. The altercation most likely occured when Trayvon decided to double back and attack Zimmerman. At that point he became the agressor.
"These a**holes always do this."

I'd like to see the reenactment, using Elmer Fudd and Daffy Duck. That's how sick I am. If Time Warner is going to utilize the media, why don't they do it in a more entertaining manner?

AOL's "Black Voices'" link: Trayvon Martin/The Trayvon Martin Tragedy. Found this article in the "Latin Voices" section (no section entitled "The George Zimmerman Zealots"), strangely enough (written by a gringo):

"Why the Trayvon Martin Circus Could Derail Obama's Re-election": http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-...atino-politics

"4. Blame-stream media needs to stop misleadingly editing documents in order to convict Zimmerman in the court of public opinion, as well as portraying Martin as just a "normal teenage boy," including repeatedly running photos of him from four years ago. The undisputed facts are that Trayvon Martin was suspended from high school on three occasions -- for spraying graffiti, carrying a controlled substance and chronic truancy, which was a chief reason he was visiting Sanford, Fla. A bag filled with women's jewelry and a "burglary tool" were found in Martin's backpack during one incident, though no charges were filed. Sorry. Those are not the behaviors of your "average teenage kid." None of these facts remotely justifies Martin's or anyone's killing, but they, along with Zimmerman's run-ins with the law, should be part of any responsible reporting on the incident." (Of course, Huff Post shows the picture of the 14-year-old TM next to that of the orange-clad GZ.)
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Old 04-24-2012, 08:22 AM   #3198
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At what point do you allow Martin to stand his ground against an unknown person to him, with unknown intentions that continues to pursue after Trayvon made the attempt to flee from the unknown individual?

Zimmerman's supporters keep trying to justify his actions by trying to judge his frame of mind. By using excuses like, I didn't know he was a child, I didn't know he wasn't armed. Yet, what they fail to do is look into what could have been the frame of mind of Trayvon and how he could have felt in fear of his life as well from being followed by an unknown person with unknown intentions who continued to pursue after making an attempt to flee.

Let me ask you this. You are walking down the street under the cover of darkness doing nothing criminal. You have an individual that you have never seen before following you. That individual gets out of his personal vehicle and pursues you on foot. You flee from unknown individual because you are unaware of the persons intentions. The unknown individual continues pursuit. At what point do you feel your life may be in danger?
None of that matters. Trayvon isn't around to be prosecuted for anything so he doesn't need a Stand Your Ground defense. His mental state could make him the most innocent of innocents, but it doesn't have anything to do with whether Zimmerman is guilty or innocent. Zimmerman's state of mind is what matters for that determination.
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Old 04-24-2012, 08:25 AM   #3199
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but Trayvon had already gotten away from Zimmerman. The altercation most likely occured when Trayvon decided to double back and attack Zimmerman. At that point he became the agressor.

I don't think it is quite known for sure that Martin had " already gotten away" from Zimmerman. That is purely speculation based upon Zimmerman's story. Now I shouldn't have to say this but any homicide detective worth a grain of salt usually accounts for that the most unreliable, or downright lies, half-truths and sometimes even taking part of their victims stories and applying it to their own story in shootings come from the shooter. According to the prosecution they have a witness that states they saw Zimmerman chase down Martin. Whether that came before Martin attempted to flee or after is purely speculation as well.

What is known is that Martin was not commiting any crime by walking down that street. Yet, Zimmerman, who by all accounts and past history has quite the overzealous attitude towards people he doesn't recognize in his neighborhood. Him being overzealous in his pursuit of these people that "always get away" is exactly the reason why all of this is biting him in the ass. He was trying to be police man without a badge and over stepped that line in the sand.
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This shit is going to get really bad. If there is an opportunity for Barry to lead, this is it and he's dropping the ****ing ball.
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None of that matters. Trayvon isn't around to be prosecuted for anything so he doesn't need a Stand Your Ground defense. His mental state could make him the most innocent of innocents, but it doesn't have anything to do with whether Zimmerman is guilty or innocent. Zimmerman's state of mind is what matters for that determination.
Absolutely it does. I'm sure his girlfriend will get up to testify that Martin clearly stated he was concerned for his safety from this unknown individual. If you think that won't play a part in the proceedings I think you willl be surprised. How many people here were surprised that Zimmerman was charged with 2nd degree murder? Were you one of those?
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Old 04-24-2012, 08:33 AM   #3202
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The facts? Like the fact that Zimmerman got out of his car and followed Trayvon after the 911 dispatcher told him not to? Oh wait, that's not a fact anymore. He was already out of the car and following him when the dispatcher said not to.
He did get out of the car to follow him but lost him and went back to his car when the dispatcher told him not to follow anymore and then that's when Trayvon decided to double back and jump this racist profiler(in Trayvon's mind) and throw the first punch to the point he had GZ on the ground pounding his head into the pavement.
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Old 04-24-2012, 08:40 AM   #3203
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He did get out of the car to follow him but lost him and went back to his car when the dispatcher told him not to follow anymore and then that's when Trayvon decided to double back and jump this racist profiler(in Trayvon's mind) and throw the first punch to the point he had GZ on the ground pounding his head into the pavement.
Didnít Zimmermanís fatherís statement to the press state that Zimmerman intercepted Martin and confronted him but after asking Martin what he was doing there he claims he turn around to return to his truck and thatís when Martin supposedly attacked him?
Is there another statement Iíve missed where Zimmerman claims he never confronted Martin?
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Old 04-24-2012, 08:48 AM   #3204
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Absolutely it does. I'm sure his girlfriend will get up to testify that Martin clearly stated he was concerned for his safety from this unknown individual. If you think that won't play a part in the proceedings I think you willl be surprised. How many people here were surprised that Zimmerman was charged with 2nd degree murder? Were you one of those?
That's why he was a John Doe for 3 days following?? On the phone with his GF just minutes b4 the shooting talking about being followed and their is a shooting in that neighborhood immediately following? And then a John Doe for 3 days? His GF and parents didn't miss him for 3 days knowing he was in that neighborhood of the shooting? Seriously? I think they knew and probably knew he 'instigated' it knowing her BF and their kid is a F'N THUG !! No way GZ puts his hands on TM or throws the first punch on a guy 6'2" 180 guy.

This prosecutor writes this weak ass charge in hopes it gets thrown out by the judge thus putting the burden back on the grand jury convicting as opposed to her only.
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Didnít Zimmermanís fatherís statement to the press state that Zimmerman intercepted Martin and confronted him but after asking Martin what he was doing there he claims he turn around to return to his truck and thatís when Martin supposedly attacked him?
Is there another statement Iíve missed where Zimmerman claims he never confronted Martin?
I should have clarified this IMO. We don't have all the facts yet and it could be as GZ's father say's.
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Absolutely it does. I'm sure his girlfriend will get up to testify that Martin clearly stated he was concerned for his safety from this unknown individual. If you think that won't play a part in the proceedings I think you willl be surprised. How many people here were surprised that Zimmerman was charged with 2nd degree murder? Were you one of those?
You're trying to make an argument that a jury will let their emotions override the law. I'm pointing out that it doesn't have any legal relevance at all. I have more confidence in the future jury (and the judge who will instruct them) on this particular point than you do.

I'm not terribly surprised by the charge. Unless additional evidence comes to light, I'll be surprised if they get a 2nd degree murder conviction.
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You're trying to make an argument that a jury will let their emotions override the law. I'm pointing out that it doesn't have any legal relevance at all. I have more confidence in the future jury (and the judge who will instruct them) on this particular point than you do.

I'm not terribly surprised by the charge. Unless additional evidence comes to light, I'll be surprised if they get a 2nd degree murder conviction.
No I'm not. I have no clue where you see having his girlfriend testify that Martin expressed a clear feeling of unsafety from this unknown individual and his intentions is playing on emotions. Add in that fact that Zimmerman's story had changed under police questioning multiple times I can see why the police wanted Zimmerman arrested and charged the night of the incident.
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Absolutely it does. I'm sure his girlfriend will get up to testify that Martin clearly stated he was concerned for his safety from this unknown individual. If you think that won't play a part in the proceedings I think you willl be surprised. How many people here were surprised that Zimmerman was charged with 2nd degree murder? Were you one of those?
Yet, a big LIBERAL , Dershowitz, said the prosecutors arrest affidavit barely shows probable cause for 2nd degree murder. Dersh says the prosecutor is being unethical. She is elected and is playing to political forces. He'd be the first to defend a black man against the state too.

At least from reading the arrest affidavit, it does appear that Trayvon feared for his safety—BUT—I think both sides were mis-reading each other which led to a "series of unfortunate events." ( Lemony Snicket )

So it comes down to how each side was perceiving things and their perceptions were incorrect.

You can't say either side didn't have some reason to act as they did. One being suspicious of an outsider and the other feeling as though they were stalked. If you do then it's just biased advocacy. So the media uses words like Zimmerman "pursued" instead of followed and calls him "white." When they're caught with their pants down Zimmerman is then called "half white." Gotta get the word "white" in there. Meanwhile, no one ev'r refers to Obama as half-white. This is stoking racial tension and it's the lowest form of reporting and political discourse, leading people to determine guilt on that basis. Such is a perversion of justice due to trials by media. Nancy Grace is a big culprit in this sort of reporting but not because of race but because she needs such for a story and ratings.
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I should have clarified this IMO. We don't have all the facts yet and it could be as GZ's father say's.
I was just checking, this story has evolved some and I havenít necessarily had time to keep up.
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Back to assanine reactions to this, we have this story from Mobile Alabama:

http://nation.foxnews.com/crime/2012...an-bloody-pulp

This shit is going to get really bad. If there is an opportunity for Barry to lead, this is it and he's dropping the ****ing ball.
Now this had better be prosecuted as a hate crime.
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