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Old 03-08-2012, 12:50 PM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 04-24-2012, 02:08 PM   #3226
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No I'm not. I have no clue where you see having his girlfriend testify that Martin expressed a clear feeling of unsafety from this unknown individual and his intentions is playing on emotions. Add in that fact that Zimmerman's story had changed under police questioning multiple times I can see why the police wanted Zimmerman arrested and charged the night of the incident.
Well, once you understand that Martin's state of mind has nothing to do with the legal issue of Zimmerman's defense from a rational pov, all that's left is emotion.
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Old 04-24-2012, 02:12 PM   #3227
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Well, once you understand that Martin's state of mind has nothing to do with the legal issue of Zimmerman's defense from a rational pov, all that's left is emotion.

99% emotion 1% facts in this case
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Old 04-24-2012, 02:15 PM   #3228
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The ones interviewed by that Tampa Tv station
The only witnesses I know of are the blonde with the butch haircut and pert rack that thought Martin was the one screaming for help but didn’t see it and the guy that saw Martin on top of Zimmerman but didn’t see the fight start and turned to call 911 just as the shot was fired. Are these the ones you’re talking about?

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I seriously don't think GZ would have grabbed a guy he described as reaching into his pants and stuff even if he had a CCW unless he was a total idiot. I think GZ lost him and TM doubled back on him and confronted him but this has been the most speculated case I have heard in years...

I will be glad when it's over and justice prevails
I think it’s been an interesting and enlightening case to discuss when done so with a modicum of respect and emotional detachment from the case itself. It will be interesting to see what if any new facts come to light once the trial begins, assuming there is a jury trial and Zimmerman doesn't plea bargain down to a lesser charge.
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Old 04-24-2012, 02:15 PM   #3229
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99% emotion 1% facts in this case
Even to the extent that RubberSponge can cite actual facts to support his theory that Martin feared for his life, it's still irrelevant to the validity of Zimmerman's defense (whether traditional self defense or SYG).
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Old 04-24-2012, 02:20 PM   #3230
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No I'm not. I have no clue where you see having his girlfriend testify that Martin expressed a clear feeling of unsafety from this unknown individual and his intentions is playing on emotions. Add in that fact that Zimmerman's story had changed under police questioning multiple times I can see why the police wanted Zimmerman arrested and charged the night of the incident.
Do you have a link proving Zimmerman changed his story or this just more of the same bull shit assumptions made in this case?
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Old 04-24-2012, 02:22 PM   #3231
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The only witnesses I know of are the blonde with the butch haircut and pert rack that thought Martin was the one screaming for help but didn’t see it and the guy that saw Martin on top of Zimmerman but didn’t see the fight start and turned to call 911 just as the shot was fired. Are these the ones you’re talking about?.
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Old 04-24-2012, 09:41 PM   #3232
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Never stick because they never told him not to follow, they told him "we don't need you to do that" Which could mean we wouldn't mind if you did but we don't want you to risk getting hurt.
No, it won't hold up in a court of law. But Zimmerman was told by the police in training for the Neighborhood Watch and then reminded again after the 911 call. Zimmerman, should have never left the car in the first place and even worse if he continued pursuit. Given his track record, I find it very hard to believe that he just walked back to the car when 911 told him to stop. Again, I adamantly don't defend Trayvon's behavior, but it's hard to defend Zimmerman's either.
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Old 04-24-2012, 09:44 PM   #3233
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That's why he was a John Doe for 3 days following?? On the phone with his GF just minutes b4 the shooting talking about being followed and their is a shooting in that neighborhood immediately following? And then a John Doe for 3 days? His GF and parents didn't miss him for 3 days knowing he was in that neighborhood of the shooting? Seriously? I think they knew and probably knew he 'instigated' it knowing her BF and their kid is a F'N THUG !! No way GZ puts his hands on TM or throws the first punch on a guy 6'2" 180 guy.

This prosecutor writes this weak ass charge in hopes it gets thrown out by the judge thus putting the burden back on the grand jury convicting as opposed to her only.
Can we stop with the bullshit that Zimmerman was probably afraid of Martin? Good grief. And his parents called the police the next morning.
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Old 04-24-2012, 09:48 PM   #3234
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Can we stop with the bullshit that Zimmerman was probably afraid of Martin? Good grief. And his parents called the police the next morning.
I don't think he would have shot TM if he wasn't afraid of him, Getting your head slammed in the concrete tends to strike fear in a mans thought process
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Old 04-24-2012, 09:54 PM   #3235
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I don't think he would have shot TM if he wasn't afraid of him, Getting your head slammed in the concrete tends to strike fear in a mans thought process
I think Zimmerman was justified to shoot Trayvon in self defense.

I'm talking about the story people are trying to pitch that Zimmerman would have never actively pursued Trayvon because of his size. As I've said before, everybody knows a guy like Zimmerman. You get into that many scuffles and at some point in time, you're going to get into a fight that you lose.
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Check this out! A news reporter is doing her job, reporting her story to the camera. And did a professional job, i might add.

"Look OUT!! One of the homies grab (steal) her mic and starts yelling obscenities in to it. He yelled "I'm that n-----!"



It sickens me to witness such horrendous crime taking place right before our very eyes. I call for Texas justice on this man.


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Old 04-25-2012, 06:33 AM   #3237
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Check this out! A news reporter is doing her job, reporting her story to the camera. And did a professional job, i might add.

"Look OUT!! One of the homies grab (steal) her mic and starts yelling obscenities in to it. He yelled "I'm that n-----!"



It sickens me to witness such horrendous crime taking place right before our very eyes. I call for Texas justice on this man.


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I kinda laughed at it. It was kinda funny.
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. Add in that fact that Zimmerman's story had changed under police questioning multiple times.
"Add in the fact......."




Very few people know the actual facts, so stop making statements like you know what they are.
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Old 04-25-2012, 04:47 PM   #3239
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Never stick because they never told him not to follow, they told him "we don't need you to do that" Which could mean we wouldn't mind if you did but we don't want you to risk getting hurt.
I agree and heres another thing about that...

It is STANDARD for them to say 'we dont need to to do that'

They don't say 'we don't WANT you do do that' or 'Sir, do not do that'.

I have called the cops on a few drunk drivers. They ALWAYS say 'we dont need you to follow them' but they keep asking for information, like cross streets etc....So you KNOW they appreciate the help. They keep you on the line, they want the help...they just HAVE to say 'we dont need you to do that' to COVER THEIR ASSES.

Like once I was following a drunk, same story...but like it took 15-20 minutes for the cops to come. I followed the guy the whole time, and they said 'we don't need you to do that' but kept asking for cross streets and such. Well the dude ended up TOTALLING his car in a ditch!!

True friggin story.

Oh and the local newspaper guy got there b4 the cops cuz he was scanner stalking, but anyhow thats a different story hahaha.

OH so my point was, when they get the operator on the stand who told them 'we don't need you to do that'...that operator is either going to have to say it is standard for them to say that stuff, and that they say it to practically every citizen who calls in to help....even tho they want the help and appreciate it....or suffer a brutal cross examination where it makes him look like a clown/liar/etc
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