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Old 03-08-2012, 12:50 PM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 05-18-2012, 05:52 PM   #3361
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From a jury standpoint, yes. He'll be found not guilty.

But if we're forming opinions, let's be real here. Zimmerman's track record and given how pissed he was on the 911 call, I'm sure that he didn't ask if Trayvon had a problem. I'm sure it was said a little differently. Given that he apparently stalked a man all the way to his house in the past, it would not surprise anyone if he was over-aggressively pursuing Trayvon too.

What still gets me is that his story never seems to hang together. I read that at the time of the crime, he claimed Trayvon was circling his car so he got out, nevermind that Zimmerman's phone call indicates things went a little differently. Then he claimed he was just leaving the car to look for a house #. I'm sure the surveillance videos will show yet another story. His cell phone records yet another. He claimed he was walking back to his car, and yet it sure seems like he was clearly going into the courtyard to pursue further. It seems like he's trying to patch the story in a way that fits, rather than tell the truth.

Like I've said before, either he is very unlucky and has trouble come to him, or you can believe that he invites trouble and maybe we shouldn't be surprised that it caught up to him this time. Shame on Trayvon for the way he snapped, but Zimmerman really seems to be doing a bit of a dance about the events leading up to the scuffle.
Has Zimmermans story changed or has the reporting of it changed? Seems to me the media has been butchering the facts in this case from day one.
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Old 05-18-2012, 06:13 PM   #3362
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Has Zimmermans story changed or has the reporting of it changed? Seems to me the media has been butchering the facts in this case from day one.


Exactly. IIRC Zimmerman said NOTHING for about a month, while the media and trayvon's family & lawyers went wild calling Z a murderer, racist etc....and saying trayvon was an angel.
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Old 05-18-2012, 08:11 PM   #3363
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Old 05-18-2012, 09:23 PM   #3364
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Old 05-18-2012, 09:31 PM   #3365
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Zimmerman is very much a raging douchebag, but that's not what is on trial here today. Is it did he or did he not act in self defense?
Alan Dershowitz is already calling for the murder charge to be dropped because even HE believes now that this was self-defense.
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Old 05-18-2012, 10:24 PM   #3366
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Zimmerman is very much a raging douchebag, but that's not what is on trial here today. Is it did he or did he not act in self defense?
I e said he's probably pretty clear not guilty.

But I think he's a d bag. And pretty sure he started shit.
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Old 05-18-2012, 10:57 PM   #3367
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I e said he's probably pretty clear not guilty.

But I think he's a d bag. And pretty sure he started shit.
If by started shit you mean investigated a suspicious person walking around his home then yes, he probably did.

Personally, after he's acquitted I would love to be able to send him to a Miami Heat game.
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Old 05-19-2012, 05:22 AM   #3368
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Personally, after he's acquitted I would love to be able to send him to a Miami Heat game.
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Old 05-19-2012, 11:53 AM   #3369
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After this got to a certain point, I think Zimmerman did what he thought he needed to do to protect himself, and his life was most likely in danger, but it doesn't mean he's without fault here. He didn't stop a crime, because there was no crime to stop, and he doesn't deserve an "Attaboy". No one should have died, and Zimmerman could have prevented that. That being said, I believe it did happen like Zimmerman is saying, it's just that Zimmerman could have made sure it never got to a point where the only solution was to kill Martin.
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Old 05-19-2012, 11:58 AM   #3370
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After this got to a certain point, I think Zimmerman did what he thought he needed to do to protect himself, and his life was most likely in danger, but it doesn't mean he's without fault here. He didn't stop a crime, because there was no crime to stop, and he doesn't deserve an "Attaboy". No one should have died, and Zimmerman could have prevented that. That being said, I believe it did happen like Zimmerman is saying, it's just that Zimmerman could have made sure it never got to a point where the only solution was to kill Martin.
I don't think anybody is giving him an attaboy. The man's life, regardless of court decision, is most likely ruined.
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Old 05-19-2012, 11:59 AM   #3371
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After this got to a certain point, I think Zimmerman did what he thought he needed to do to protect himself, and his life was most likely in danger, but it doesn't mean he's without fault here. He didn't stop a crime, because there was no crime to stop, and he doesn't deserve an "Attaboy". No one should have died, and Zimmerman could have prevented that. That being said, I believe it did happen like Zimmerman is saying, it's just that Zimmerman could have made sure it never got to a point where the only solution was to kill Martin.
This sums it up perfectly for me.

There seem to be two different discussions, depending on which side people are on. Zimmerman supporters think they need to convince the other side that Zimmerman actually was being beaten. I think the other side concedes that as likely, but still feel Zimmerman bears responsibility for putting himself in a position that required taking a life to extract himself from.

I'm not sure even manslaughter isn't too much of a charge. But there has to be legal restraints to discourage people from placing themselves in positions they have to shoot their way out of.
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Old 05-19-2012, 12:05 PM   #3372
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This sums it up perfectly for me.

There seem to be two different discussions, depending on which side people are on. Zimmerman supporters think they need to convince the other side that Zimmerman actually was being beaten. I think the other side concedes that as likely, but still feel Zimmerman bears responsibility for putting himself in a position that required taking a life to extract himself from.

I'm not sure even manslaughter isn't too much of a charge. But there has to be legal restraints to discourage people from placing themselves in positions they have to shoot their way out of.
We don't have any reason* to believe that Zimmerman did anything more than follow a suspicious person who was walking through his neighborhood and maybe ask him what he was doing there. There's zero evidence* that he started a fight. To even contemplate manslaughter charges without any such evidence is an example of prejudice based on the result. Charges should follow the evidence, not the other way around.

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Old 05-19-2012, 04:40 PM   #3373
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I don't think anybody is giving him an attaboy.
The man's life, regardless of court decision, is most likely ruined.
I certainly am not in the Martin camp. However the kid he killed life is ruined. Zimmerman can move on and rebuild his life. It pisses me off that this will lead to riots, and that worthless shitbags took advantage of this situation. That said I hope those who choose to pack a gun grasp that doing so can lead to something like this. I have no issue with the right to carry, nor the right to defend yourself. I do pickup a cowboy attitude from some who carry. Kind of like some people I have crossed in life that get a power trip on when given authority. Most have met a guy who was a dork or whatever and became a cop or boss and turned into Johnny Badass. Some who have conceal and carry strike me similar~
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Has Zimmermans story changed or has the reporting of it changed? Seems to me the media has been butchering the facts in this case from day one.
That's no shit. The way the media has gone after Zimmerman you'd think he was running a campaign against Obama.
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Old 05-19-2012, 06:07 PM   #3375
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That's no shit. The way the media has gone after Zimmerman you'd think he was running a campaign against Obama.
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