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Old 03-08-2012, 12:50 PM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 05-20-2012, 12:12 PM   #3391
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I am a supporter of the truth and just like you I hadn't up to a few minutes ago seen any evidence that Zimmerman assaulted Martin. Until I read the girlfriend's account that she told the police and prosecuter. According to her story it sounds like Zimmerman tried to subdue Martin.
Yet Martin's knuckles are bloody and Zimmermans head has cuts etc.....

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Old 05-20-2012, 12:14 PM   #3392
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I hope you are able to if 4 people jump out of a car with baseball bats and decide you need to be a victim today because you are old or white or look like you may have a dollar in your pocket.

Odds are this will never happen to me or you, I hope not
This could very well be my fate, if it is I am certain that I will meet that, with all that I am and all that I believe in. Which is to say I will stand my ground will honor. I will take that risk opposed to a life where I feel the need to carry a gun out of paranoia that someone may harm me, and I must then deliver a death warrant. I choose not to carry a gun with the concession that life is too dangerous to pursue without one~
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Old 05-20-2012, 12:20 PM   #3393
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And pretty sure he started shit.
Nah, this is a case of a young black thug standing 6'2" 180 who got pissed off because he felt he was being 'racially profiled' by someone who was watching him regardless if he was up to no good or not. And then decided to "brutha up on him" plain and simple when GZ decided to address his intentions in the neighborhood.
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Old 05-20-2012, 12:34 PM   #3394
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This could very well be my fate, if it is I am certain that I will meet that, with all that I am and all that I believe in. Which is to say I will stand my ground will honor. I will take that risk opposed to a life where I feel the need to carry a gun out of paranoia that someone may harm me, and I must then deliver a death warrant. I choose not to carry a gun with the concession that life is too dangerous to pursue without one~

I agree, but be careful. Now that the courts over the past 30-40 yrs have been infested with LIB lawyers and judges who suffer with "white guilt" syndrome you are automatically guilty regardless of the facts as a white man especially if it involves minorities and specifically (blacks) and especially moreso with the media....HENCE the made up label WHITE/HISPANIC
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Old 05-20-2012, 12:50 PM   #3395
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If GZ had ran up behind him and hit him in the head with a 2x4 then TM would have been justified to do whatever he wanted because that is felony assault... If GZ put his hand on him he committed simple assault just by doing that and TM could have in retaliation punched him in his face.

Grabbing someone on the shoulder is not the same as felony assault.... I seriously doubt GZ ever got anywhere close to TM to grab his shoulder to be honest, he may have screamed something at TM that pissed him off but still that does not justify felony assault.

I am not defending GZ, he is probably a douchebag wannabe cop, I am defending the law as it is written
Put yourself in Trayvon's shoes. It's dark. You're in a neighborhood that's probably not super safe. You have some creepy guy you've never seen before trailing you. How much would it take to startle you? Somehow zimmerman ended up within a close enough distance to get punched in the face. If that strange creepy guy ended upthat close and you had no idea why, how would any reasonable person react?
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Old 05-20-2012, 12:53 PM   #3396
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Put yourself in Trayvon's shoes. It's dark. You're in a neighborhood that's probably not super safe. You have some creepy guy you've never seen before trailing you. How much would it take to startle you? Somehow zimmerman ended up within a close enough distance to get punched in the face. If that strange creepy guy ended upthat close and you had no idea why, how would any reasonable person react?

I would punch you in the face but I would not pound your head in the concrete and try to kill you.
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Old 05-20-2012, 12:55 PM   #3397
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Nah, this is a case of a young black thug standing 6'2" 180 who got pissed off because he felt he was being 'racially profiled' by someone who was watching him regardless if he was up to no good or not. And then decided to "brutha up on him" plain and simple when GZ decided to address his intentions in the neighborhood.
If you're going to call trayvon a thug because of his myspace comments, e then you should call zimmerman a racist because of his myspace comments.

I think there is a more than reasonable explanation that trayvon, no matter how big or tough, but would be startled or scared.
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Old 05-20-2012, 01:10 PM   #3398
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but would be startled or scared.
Startled or scared ??? How about pissed off and got in GZ's face after GZ asked him what his intentions were in the neighborhood because TM decided GZ was a racist because he was following him thus racial profiling him

You can bank on it that TM was not scared in the least until well GZ decided to defend himself.
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Old 05-20-2012, 01:20 PM   #3399
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Startled or scared ??? How about pissed off and got in GZ's face after GZ asked him what his intentions were in the neighborhood because TM decided GZ was a racist because he was following him thus racial profiling him

You can bank on it that TM was not scared in the least until well GZ decided to defend himself.
If we can assume Martin wasn't scared, can we also assume that if Zimmerman had followed the advice of the 911 operator, no crime would have been committed, Martin would have walked back to the house, and no one would be dead?
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If we can assume Martin wasn't scared, can we also assume that if Zimmerman had followed the advice of the 911 operator, no crime would have been committed, Martin would have walked back to the house, and no one would be dead?
Does that make punching someone right?
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Old 05-20-2012, 01:28 PM   #3401
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probably not, but the last time i punched somebody he didn't shoot me in the heart...
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Old 05-20-2012, 01:29 PM   #3402
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No, but I'm not arguing that Martin was right. There is no right here, I guess thats my point. I think it's silly to take sides on this. Both were wrong.
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No, but I'm not arguing that Martin was right. There is no right here, I guess thats my point. I think it's silly to take sides on this. Both were wrong.
but one is dead...
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No, but I'm not arguing that Martin was right. There is no right here, I guess thats my point. I think it's silly to take sides on this. Both were wrong.
The way I look at it is if Tm laid hands first he got what anyone throwing punches could get, if Zimmerman laid hands first he should go to jail.

Anything else doesn't really matter.

Following? Who cares.

Talking? Who cares.

yelling? Who cares.

None of that would excuse laying hands on someone
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but one is dead...
they both put themselves in position for that to happen.
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