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Old 03-08-2012, 11:50 AM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 05-28-2012, 10:06 PM   #3496
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Innocent until proven guilty is the rule for the court of law. It has nothing to do the court of public opinion.
You do realize that one of those things is far superior to the other, and that usually the court of public opinion is a derogatory term, since mobs and group think are notorious for being illogical and downright dumb?
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Old 05-28-2012, 11:32 PM   #3497
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You do realize that one of those things is far superior to the other, and that usually the court of public opinion is a derogatory term, since mobs and group think are notorious for being illogical and downright dumb?
I'm not suggesting one should replace the other. I'm just saying people are entitled to their opinion, and it has zero bearing on whether the accused gets a fair trial.

I always see someone throw out the "innocent until proven guilty" response in these type of threads. Of course we're all ignorant of all the facts. But there's no great injustice in someone forming an opinion in an internet discussion.
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Old 05-28-2012, 11:35 PM   #3498
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I'm not suggesting one should replace the other. I'm just saying people are entitled to their opinion, and it has zero bearing on whether the accused gets a fair trial.
Actually you are quite wrong about that. They MOVE TRIALS for exactly that reason (stupid people making up their minds too quickly, and not waiting for all of the evidence). They do this to ensure a fair trial, because the accused couldn't get one otherwise.
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Old 06-03-2012, 12:34 AM   #3499
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http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/03/justic...ing/index.html
Hmm... I think if you're in a trial for your life, you probably shouldn't be lying about things to damage your credibility.
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Old 06-03-2012, 04:24 AM   #3500
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Hmm... I think if you're in a trial for your life, you probably shouldn't be lying about things to damage your credibility.
He certainly damaged his credibility~
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Old 06-03-2012, 12:15 PM   #3501
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The judge is none too happy about that. Yikes.

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Old 06-03-2012, 04:30 PM   #3502
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Hmm... I think if you're in a trial for your life, you probably shouldn't be lying about things to damage your credibility.
I'd say Zimmerman's testimony at trial will be more credible than that of Trayvon's.
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Old 06-03-2012, 05:29 PM   #3503
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The judge is none too happy about that. Yikes.
The judge sounds like Ed Rooney.
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The judge sounds like Ed Rooney.
Maybe he does. But in a trial of this magnitude, it's not wise to try to hoodwink the judge.
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Old 06-03-2012, 06:45 PM   #3505
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I don't think this matters. It's believable that they didn't know what to think of this money.

There never should have been murder charges in the first place. This is Duke lacrosse redux
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Old 06-03-2012, 06:53 PM   #3506
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I don't think this matters. It's believable that they didn't know what to think of this money.

There never should have been murder charges in the first place. This is Duke lacrosse redux
This case is nothing like the Duke Lacrosse scandal. First Zimmerman has already admitted he shot Trayvon where the Duke players didn't nothing.
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Old 06-03-2012, 07:19 PM   #3507
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Maybe he does. But in a trial of this magnitude, it's not wise to try to hoodwink the judge.
It just puts more pressure on him. There will be riots if this guy walks. Now it puts everything he has said into question. If he is willing to lie about this, the natural conclusion is he would lie about everything else. Not saying he did, just saying it was a dumbass play~
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It just puts more pressure on him. There will be riots if this guy walks. Now it puts everything he has said into question. If he is willing to lie about this, the natural conclusion is he would lie about everything else. Not saying he did, just saying it was a dumbass play~
It does put more pressure on his defense team as it can be another knock on his character. I don't know that there will be riots. I hope not. But it's FLA so you never know.
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I don't think this matters. It's believable that they didn't know what to think of this money.

There never should have been murder charges in the first place. This is Duke lacrosse redux
The prosecutor claims that taped conversations between Zimmerman and his wife while in prison indicate that they were talking in code about the money.
Given how angry everyone seems to be and that Zimmerman was ordered back to jail, that sounds like it's exactly what happened.
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If the money was in a trust, then it is possible Zimmerman wasn't lying.
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