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Old 03-08-2012, 11:50 AM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 03-08-2012, 06:17 PM   #346
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Old 03-08-2012, 06:17 PM   #347
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Ok, so you have a right to defend yourself in any manner you see fit if someone asks you to hang out and wait for the cops to show up?

I suppose that's within your rights even though you are making a conscious decision to escalate the situation.

Find me proof the guy put his hands on the kid first and I will believe he was 100% to blame.
I'm not escalating anything. I'm going home. If that person tries to physically force me to stay there, then yeah, there's going to be a fight, but it isn't me that chose that.
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Old 03-08-2012, 06:18 PM   #348
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If any stranger walks up to me and starts telling me what to do or interrogating me, they are accosting me. In this kid's situation I would have felt threatened.

Perhaps you think accosted means assaulted or something?
Seriously? You do realize under law that wouldn't be justifiable reason to assault someone right?

Pretty much makes you as nutty as the NHW guy.

Walking around with a chip on your shoulder tends to eventually put you in a situation where someone tries to knock it off.
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Old 03-08-2012, 06:19 PM   #349
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I'm not escalating anything. I'm going home. If that person tries to physically force me to stay there, then yeah, there's going to be a fight, but it isn't me that chose that.
It doesn't say anywhere that NHW guy physically restrained the kid. If he did he was 100% wrong.

If not I only put half of the blame on him.
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Old 03-08-2012, 06:23 PM   #350
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It doesn't say anywhere that NHW guy physically restrained the kid. If he did he was 100% wrong.

If not I only put half of the blame on him.
Well, if I'm the kid, that's the only reason a fight happened. If I'm the idiot with the gun, I don't get out of my car to begin with. There isn't any reason to.
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Old 03-08-2012, 06:24 PM   #351
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The real tragedy is, none of us will follow up on this a week later. We are all terrible human beings in our own right. I'll admit it.
Trust me, based on the fact that there is a "race" issue on this case, we will hear from it, and when he gets off based on reasonable doubt, everyone will want to kick the Jury's ass... Not the first time or the last this will happen...

Crazy thing is that he could be innocent... crazy that a lot of people who have done worse get away with it as well...
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Old 03-08-2012, 06:24 PM   #352
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I'm going to take a guess and say this is what the accused looks like. And having this man walk up to you, you must assume he has a concealed weapon and you STOP when he says stop, or you get plugged full of holes.




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Well, if I'm the kid, that's the only reason a fight happened. If I'm the idiot with the gun, I don't get out of my car to begin with. There isn't any reason to.
But you aren't the kid so what you would have done in the situation is meaningless.
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Old 03-08-2012, 06:27 PM   #354
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But you aren't the kid so what you would have done in the situation is meaningless.
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Old 03-08-2012, 06:28 PM   #355
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Seriously? You do realize under law that wouldn't be justifiable reason to assault someone right?

Pretty much makes you as nutty as the NHW guy.

Walking around with a chip on your shoulder tends to eventually put you in a situation where someone tries to knock it off.
All I've said is that if the man made any attempt to PHYSICALLY RESTRAIN the kid after accosting him, the kid had the right to defend himself physically. That is not assault. It's self defense. It's a scenario and one I could easily see escalating into such a situation.

I find the idea of the kid just attacking him less likely than that. It's just as much of an assumption as your constant assertions of 'assault'. You're assuming the kid was indignant and assaulted him.
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Old 03-08-2012, 06:30 PM   #356
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Well, if I'm the kid, that's the only reason a fight happened. If I'm the idiot with the gun, I don't get out of my car to begin with. There isn't any reason to.
There is a rather large gap between dumbass and murderer.

The last line of the story the families attorney states the kid didn't even know the guy had a gun so its not like he jumped out playing Dirty Harry waving a gun around.



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All I've said is that if the man made any attempt to PHYSICALLY RESTRAIN the kid after accosting him, the kid had the right to defend himself physically. That is not assault. It's self defense. It's a scenario. We don't know what happened.

I find the idea of the kid just attacking him less likely than that. It's just as much of an assumption as your constant assertions of 'assault'. You're assuming the kid was indignant and assaulted him.
No actually I am refusing to assume anything. Thats why I refuse to call him a murderer like its fact.
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Old 03-08-2012, 06:35 PM   #358
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No actually I am refusing to assume anything. Thats why I refuse to call him a murderer like its fact.
If the founding fathers were anything like you, we'd still be speaking British right now.
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Old 03-08-2012, 06:37 PM   #359
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If the founding fathers were anything like you, we'd still be speaking British right now.
What? I think they waited until they had facts to make decisions.

JFC what a stupid statement.

And this also shows you don't know jack and shit about me.
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Dang, Mr. Setsuna ...

You jump to conclusions like a frog on a screenplay. It's awesome.

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