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Old 03-08-2012, 11:50 AM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 03-10-2013, 07:16 PM   #3826
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He only used it when he was assaulted... He didn't run screaming with his gun in his hand yelling Citizens Arrest like Gomer did
He had a history of trailing people. Following people all the way home. And if people are claiming that trayvon's history suggests he was probably up to no good that night, then zimmermans history should suggest that he was hot headed in confronting trayvon.

He was carrying a gun. He didn't have to get face to face with trayvon. When you continually confront people, guess what, some of those people will fight back.
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Old 03-10-2013, 07:19 PM   #3827
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Give me a break. They were both punks.

First of all, there is nothing to suggest trayvon did anything suspicious that night. Zero. I have never excused trayvon s reaction. But here's what I know. When you are carrying a gun you have extra responsibility not to find reasons to use it. It is pretty clear Zimmerman was actively following trayvon. So if we are playing the game of blaming a thug for picking a fight against the wrong guy, that suit works both ways.
He didn't find a reason to use his gun, the reason found him.
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Old 03-10-2013, 07:22 PM   #3828
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He didn't find a reason to use his gun, the reason found him.
Both of those guys did something stupid that forced zimmerman to use a gun. It would not have been used if one of the two didn't act stupidly.
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Old 03-10-2013, 07:27 PM   #3829
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Both of those guys did something stupid that forced zimmerman to use a gun. It would not have been used if one of the two didn't act stupidly.
Stupid bitch shouldn't have back sassed and I wouldn't have HAD to beat her!

If that girl at the bar didn't dress like a whore and act like a slut I wouldn't have assumed she was asking for it and raped her!

See a problem with your argument?

We don't know exactly what happened but as long as Zimmerman didn't physically provoke Trayvon than this is entirely on the guy who assaulted another man first. PERIOD.
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Old 03-10-2013, 08:12 PM   #3830
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Trayvon was a POS. I'm glad he's dead.
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Old 03-10-2013, 08:19 PM   #3831
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Stupid bitch shouldn't have back sassed and I wouldn't have HAD to beat her!

If that girl at the bar didn't dress like a whore and act like a slut I wouldn't have assumed she was asking for it and raped her!

See a problem with your argument?

We don't know exactly what happened but as long as Zimmerman didn't physically provoke Trayvon than this is entirely on the guy who assaulted another man first. PERIOD.
What we know is, he was carrying a gun (he was told not to when on patrol). He was patrolling the neighborhood and following people around, including Trayvon (he was told to only be the eyes and ears of the police). He ended up following Trayvon way past his car (he lied and told police he was near his car) and in an area where he was clearly doing more than just "keeping a visual."

He broke all protocol. He knew the rules but acted like he was above them. When you go acting tough and trying to confront people, you're eventually going to end up picking a fight you're going to lose.
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Old 03-10-2013, 08:36 PM   #3832
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What we know is, he was carrying a gun (he was told not to when on patrol). He was patrolling the neighborhood and following people around, including Trayvon (he was told to only be the eyes and ears of the police). He ended up following Trayvon way past his car (he lied and told police he was near his car) and in an area where he was clearly doing more than just "keeping a visual."

He broke all protocol. He knew the rules but acted like he was above them. When you go acting tough and trying to confront people, you're eventually going to end up picking a fight you're going to lose.
Do you live in Florida? Do you know how many neighborhoods are turned into ghettos because of section 8 housing?

Everybody with a brain in their head carries a gun in Florida. Because of miscreants like Trayvon. The kid beat the shit out of Zimmerman. If Zimmerman didn't have a gun, he'd be dead. Eat shit idiot.
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Old 03-10-2013, 09:03 PM   #3833
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What we know is, he was carrying a gun (he was told not to when on patrol). He was patrolling the neighborhood and following people around, including Trayvon (he was told to only be the eyes and ears of the police). He ended up following Trayvon way past his car (he lied and told police he was near his car) and in an area where he was clearly doing more than just "keeping a visual."

He broke all protocol. He knew the rules but acted like he was above them. When you go acting tough and trying to confront people, you're eventually going to end up picking a fight you're going to lose.
Just like that bitch who talked back! She KNEW BETTER! She shouldn't have gave me lip! She was ASKING FOR A BEATING! Right? She coulda just kept her mouth shut!

ZERO difference in logic between those two arguments.
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Old 03-10-2013, 09:36 PM   #3834
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What we know is, he was carrying a gun (he was told not to when on patrol). He was patrolling the neighborhood and following people around, including Trayvon (he was told to only be the eyes and ears of the police). He ended up following Trayvon way past his car (he lied and told police he was near his car) and in an area where he was clearly doing more than just "keeping a visual."

He broke all protocol. He knew the rules but acted like he was above them. When you go acting tough and trying to confront people, you're eventually going to end up picking a fight you're going to lose.
When I delivered pizzas I carried a gun too, they also told us we couldn't but I figured my life was worth more than the job... All they could do was fire me for carrying at my pizza delivery job.

Had TM not let the Testosterone flow and not decided to pound the mans head into the concrete to the point of him fearing for his life, he would not have been shot that night by GZ

You can't just go around assaulting people nowadays, you could find your ass on the business end of a gun.
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Old 03-10-2013, 09:38 PM   #3835
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Just like that bitch who talked back! She KNEW BETTER! She shouldn't have gave me lip! She was ASKING FOR A BEATING! Right? She coulda just kept her mouth shut!

ZERO difference in logic between those two arguments.
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Old 03-10-2013, 09:44 PM   #3836
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When I delivered pizzas I carried a gun too, they also told us we couldn't but I figured my life was worth more than the job... All they could do was fire me for carrying at my pizza delivery job.

Had TM not let the Testosterone flow and not decided to pound the mans head into the concrete to the point of him fearing for his life, he would not have been shot that night by GZ

You can't just go around assaulting people nowadays, you could find your ass on the business end of a gun.
You're entitled to carry a gun. You were doing your job. And in any sign of trouble, you're entitled to use it.

It's one thing to carry it around as protection in case shit goes wrong. It's another thing to use it so you can be more bold in overstepping your boundaries.
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You're entitled to carry a gun. You were doing your job. And in any sign of trouble, you're entitled to use it.

It's one thing to carry it around as protection in case shit goes wrong. It's another thing to use it so you can be more bold in overstepping your boundaries.

He was actually the watch captain and his job was to observe and report to the police crimes or suspicious activity...

Trayvon chose to escalate it by taking it from a non physical altercation and turning it into a life threatening situation for GZ.

For all GZ had known, TM could have had a gun or knife in his pocket
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You're entitled to carry a gun. You were doing your job. And in any sign of trouble, you're entitled to use it.

It's one thing to carry it around as protection in case shit goes wrong. It's another thing to use it so you can be more bold in overstepping your boundaries.
Honestly you sound EXACTLY like the kind off butthurt small dicked sociopath, whose daddy wasn't around to beat your ass for being a spazz, that makes being armed more and more necessary.

You seem to have no problem making excuse after excuse for TM...and even believing his version of events yet you deny GZ his presumption of innocence and assume the very worst about him and his motives...

Of course Im sure in your add/hd world with zero accountability and zero personal responsibility....where its cool to punch someone to the ground for asking what youre doing....I'm quite sure you would rather have a few TM's in your neighborhood than a GZ...

I am going to take extra pleasure, because of you, when the day comes that all of the wanna be pussy ass vaginas with authority issues are all crying and burning their neighborhoods because GZ gets acquitted.
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Honestly you sound EXACTLY like the kind off butthurt small dicked sociopath, whose daddy wasn't around to beat your ass for being a spazz, that makes being armed more and more necessary.

You seem to have no problem making excuse after excuse for TM...and even believing his version of events yet you deny GZ his presumption of innocence and assume the very worst about him and his motives...

Of course Im sure in your add/hd world with zero accountability and zero personal responsibility....where its cool to punch someone to the ground for asking what youre doing....I'm quite sure you would rather have a few TM's in your neighborhood than a GZ...

I am going to take extra pleasure, because of you, when the day comes that all of the wanna be pussy ass vaginas with authority issues are all crying and burning their neighborhoods because GZ gets acquitted.
You're a ****ing joke. I have said about a bajillion times that Trayvon was an absolute punk that night. He reacted badly. And that Zimmerman shot him in self defense and will end up not guilty, as he should. But thank you for your blanket diatribe.
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