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Old 03-08-2012, 11:50 AM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 03-13-2013, 04:34 PM   #3931
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I believe Florida Gated Communities are considered private which would include any walkways.
It may be done differently in different areas.
So, if thats correct, he had no business being there in the first place.

I kinda figured thats the way it is, otherwise whats the point of having a gated community.
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Old 03-13-2013, 04:35 PM   #3932
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So, if thats correct, he had no business being there in the first place.

I kinda figured thats the way it is, otherwise whats the point of having a gated community.
Seems right. He'd be a tresspasser. I never even thought of this aspect of the case. I have to push a damn buzzer to get into them to visit friends or pick someone up. We have more than our share.
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Old 03-13-2013, 04:39 PM   #3933
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Its a bit off track from your post, but i've been wondering about this gated community... would a place like that be considered private property meant only for those paying to live there? i'm wondering if the kid was trespassing by regularly cutting through there.

This nation will probably never call him a hero, but the other residents of that place were quite stalwart in his defense as i recall, i'm guessing they'd had enough of the break ins and were on edge about it.
I live in a sub division and we have a neighborhood watch. There are several law enforcement officers that live around here. I understand looking out for each other. Just looking at the situation I see this as a bad kid and a wanna be badass that ended up crossing paths~
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Old 03-13-2013, 04:41 PM   #3934
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I live in a sub division and we have a neighborhood watch. There are several law enforcement officers that live around here. I understand looking out for each other. Just looking at the situation I see this as a bad kid and a wanna be badass that ended up crossing paths~
Based on his own record i'd say thats a fair tag.
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Old 03-13-2013, 06:19 PM   #3935
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Old 03-13-2013, 07:48 PM   #3936
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Or the fact a black kid fleeing through backyards may look suspicious which could cause issues. Also why should he have to run? Unless he had committed a crime why should he run? Some wannabe badass follows him around and gets out of his vehicle and confronts him after being told to stand down. Zimmerman may not have broken the law but he sure as hell ain't no hero~
This is the way I see it too. Both acted badly. If you believe Zimmerman's account, he never even told him to stand down. That's the part I don't get. Why was he acting like some incognito detective?

I don't think Trayvon is an angel. And he's a punk for doubling back to beat the crap out of Zimmerman. But based on his 911 call, the story that he was acting suspicious sounds fishy. Why would Trayvon run? Maybe because some creepy guy in the dark in a neighborhood that had had some crime was chasing after him unannounced. That could mean he was scared. It seems more likely that he instead used that opportunity to beat the shit out of the guy that was creeping up on him.
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Old 03-13-2013, 07:55 PM   #3937
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My memory of the details is a bit foggy, but how do we know that much of anything was said other than zimmerman asking him what he was doing there.

IIRC martin didnt mention much in the way of verbal confrontation when he was talking to his girl on the phone, just that a guy was following him and he was considering running.

If you look back at my first several posts i was full-on against zimmerman, but as the evidence trickled in, i felt i had no choice but to change my tune... i honestly think martin could've lost that guy no sweat by cutting through yards and jumping a fence or two, and that he DID lose him, but that pride got the best of him and he snuck back, thus pushing the situation off the cliff.
That's based on the testimony of two people, Zimmerman and Trayvon's girlfriend, which both seem pretty unreliable. The rest of this post I agree with. My take on the day of was that Trayvon wasn't doing anything wrong, saw Zimmerman creeping on him and fled, and instead of going home decided to get tough about it. Zimmerman instead of going back to his car decided to get tough about it too. Both ended up getting tough and paying for it. That's my opinion and mine alone.
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Old 03-14-2013, 01:11 AM   #3938
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You wouldn't give two shits if this kid was white we'd never have heard about it. Or if Saint Skittles was murdered by other feral blacks, which HAPPENS EVERY FRIGGIN' DAY in Chicongo.

Friggin' phoney.
I don't care that he was black at all.

Here are the facts: We have TAPED evidence that a man with a gun went after an innocent person for no reason other than he suspected that he "might" be up to no good. And then the guy hangs up. We know there was a scuffle, and then the guy with the weapon loses the fight and kills the kid who wasn't doing anything.

For those of you who believe Zimmerman acted appropriately, let me ask you:

If the shoe were on the other foot? If TM had a gun (legally) and shot Zimmerman after the scuffle... If TM's story was something like this: "Dude came up to me, and pulled his gun on me and started yelling at me to hold still, I felt threatened, so I shot him before he could kill me." Would you believe TM then?
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Old 03-14-2013, 06:33 AM   #3939
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I don't care that he was black at all.

Here are the facts: We have TAPED evidence that a man with a gun went after an innocent person for no reason other than he suspected that he "might" be up to no good. And then the guy hangs up. We know there was a scuffle, and then the guy with the weapon loses the fight and kills the kid who wasn't doing anything.

For those of you who believe Zimmerman acted appropriately, let me ask you:

If the shoe were on the other foot? If TM had a gun (legally) and shot Zimmerman after the scuffle... If TM's story was something like this: "Dude came up to me, and pulled his gun on me and started yelling at me to hold still, I felt threatened, so I shot him before he could kill me." Would you believe TM then?
Well, again. Let's be clear about something. It seems likely that trayvon fled and could have gone home. He came back to pick a fight and assaulted Zimmerman. I do agree, however, that zimmerman carrying a gun has no business trailing people like some kind of ndercover police officer. And if he was intending to confront trayvon, and was carrying a gun, even worse.
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Old 03-14-2013, 06:57 AM   #3940
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I don't care that he was black at all.

Here are the facts: We have TAPED evidence that a man with a gun went after an innocent person for no reason other than he suspected that he "might" be up to no good. And then the guy hangs up. We know there was a scuffle, and then the guy with the weapon loses the fight and kills the kid who wasn't doing anything.

For those of you who believe Zimmerman acted appropriately, let me ask you:

If the shoe were on the other foot? If TM had a gun (legally) and shot Zimmerman after the scuffle... If TM's story was something like this: "Dude came up to me, and pulled his gun on me and started yelling at me to hold still, I felt threatened, so I shot him before he could kill me." Would you believe TM then?
If Zimmerman assaulted Trayvon first then all means he had every to use a gun. There are different strokes for different folks.
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Old 03-14-2013, 07:55 AM   #3941
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Be ashamed to be white!!! If I caught my son or daughter wearing one of those I'd slap them silly. How about wrist bands for minorities? That's ****ing disgusting. Ready to start standing up for your rights yet?
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Old 03-14-2013, 08:12 AM   #3942
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I don't care that he was black at all.

Here are the facts: We have TAPED evidence that a man with a gun went after an innocent person for no reason other than he suspected that he "might" be up to no good. And then the guy hangs up. We know there was a scuffle, and then the guy with the weapon loses the fight and kills the kid who wasn't doing anything.

For those of you who believe Zimmerman acted appropriately, let me ask you:

If the shoe were on the other foot? If TM had a gun (legally) and shot Zimmerman after the scuffle... If TM's story was something like this: "Dude came up to me, and pulled his gun on me and started yelling at me to hold still, I felt threatened, so I shot him before he could kill me." Would you believe TM then?
I don't go on private property and disrespect ANYONE who lives there. And I damn sure wouldn't jump somebody in a parking lot in a state where it's legal to conceal/carry. Period.

You can create all the fantastic pro-trayvon narratives you want.

Bottom line the kid was feral thug, no parental guidance or supervision, constantly being thrown out of school (any idea how hard it's gotta be to get suspended from a Miami HS?), constantly getting arrested for drug dealing, burglary and assault.

It's too bad no one ever taught this kid how to behave properly when you are a guest in someone elses home. His first reaction to any conflict has always been violence.

I've walked away from the Zimmerman's of the world my whole life, laughing at them. Too bad Saint Skittles didn't have the sense to do that.
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I've got an idea! Wristbands for Jews!
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Only white Jews though. Otherwise it's racism.
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