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Old 03-08-2012, 11:50 AM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 03-09-2012, 03:02 AM   #391
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Well since you're playing that card, what's wrong with offering a view on your view?
Because you are essentially calling me a racist.

Do I need to show you my minority membership club? If we were in person, I could do the secret handshake with you.
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Old 03-09-2012, 06:42 AM   #392
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So what is this supposed to show? Source?
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Old 03-09-2012, 07:16 AM   #393
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Chief Bill Lee of the Sanford Police Department on Thursday evening said the account given by Martin’s family and attorney is correct, that Zimmerman saw the young man walking home from the store. He said that Zimmerman did indeed call 911 and report a suspicious person, and that he was told not to follow him.

“For some reason he felt that Trayvon, the way that he was walking or appeared seemed suspicious to him,” Lee said. “He called this in and at one part of this initial call [the dispatcher] recommends him not to follow Trayvon. A police officer is on the way at that point.”

Lee said that Zimmerman instead followed Martin.

“I believe that Mr. Zimmerman was trying to, by his account, find an address to give the officers and also trying to keep Trayvon in eyesight.”

Zimmerman told the police that Martin noticed that he was being followed and asked, “what’s your problem?”

That's when a physical confrontation ensued, Lee said. And moments later, Martin was shot.

Lee said that Zimmerman has a legal permit to carry the weapon used in the shooting, and that he told police that he shot Martin in self-defense.

“He felt the need to defend himself,” Lee said. “ I don’t think it was his intent to go and shoot somebody” that night.

The chief said the police have met with Zimmerman on two to three separate occasions, and that their investigation should be wrapped up this week. He said all of the evidence in the case will be delivered to the Seminole County State Attorney’s Office soon after.

“We’re going to present all the information and if they feel that based on all of the evidence that we’re able to produce that Mr. Zimmerman has satisfied the requirement that he shot in self defense, they may, but if not, he would be charged with some type of homicide or manslaughter,” Lee said.

“It is certainly and absolutely a tragedy, especially for the Martin Family,” Lee said. "No one expects their teenage son to go the store and never come back.”
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Old 03-09-2012, 08:12 AM   #394
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Kid got killed over race. Many in this thread approve of that. Just look at the posts.

It's pretty simple dude.
Reality.

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Old 03-09-2012, 08:15 AM   #395
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The only way to make things right is for a couple of black guys to go around until they find a 17 year old white kid and shoot him dead for no reason.

I'd love to see Frazod and the rest of you guys defend that.

It's bullshit plain and simple. This Zimmerman needs to burn.
Wow. Really? Calling for a race-reversed revenge murder to "make things right"?

I'm wondering if you would be so passionate about this situation, if the roles were reversed like you suggest? If it were a 25 year old black man shooting a 17 year old white kid, would you be in here calling the black man a retarded murderer fat **** that needs to burn?

You've been shouting racism a lot in this thread. But I'm curious if you could honestly answer the question above with no bias in your heart?
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Old 03-09-2012, 08:31 AM   #396
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Wow. Really? Calling for a race-reversed revenge murder to "make things right"?
That’s apparently how they “solve problems with their minds” in NYC.
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Old 03-09-2012, 08:33 AM   #397
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Chief Bill Lee of the Sanford Police Department on Thursday evening said the account given by Martin’s family and attorney is correct, that Zimmerman saw the young man walking home from the store. He said that Zimmerman did indeed call 911 and report a suspicious person, and that he was told not to follow him.

“For some reason he felt that Trayvon, the way that he was walking or appeared seemed suspicious to him,” Lee said. “He called this in and at one part of this initial call [the dispatcher] recommends him not to follow Trayvon. A police officer is on the way at that point.”

Lee said that Zimmerman instead followed Martin.

“I believe that Mr. Zimmerman was trying to, by his account, find an address to give the officers and also trying to keep Trayvon in eyesight.”

Zimmerman told the police that Martin noticed that he was being followed and asked, “what’s your problem?”

That's when a physical confrontation ensued, Lee said. And moments later, Martin was shot.

Lee said that Zimmerman has a legal permit to carry the weapon used in the shooting, and that he told police that he shot Martin in self-defense.

“He felt the need to defend himself,” Lee said. “ I don’t think it was his intent to go and shoot somebody” that night.

The chief said the police have met with Zimmerman on two to three separate occasions, and that their investigation should be wrapped up this week. He said all of the evidence in the case will be delivered to the Seminole County State Attorney’s Office soon after.

“We’re going to present all the information and if they feel that based on all of the evidence that we’re able to produce that Mr. Zimmerman has satisfied the requirement that he shot in self defense, they may, but if not, he would be charged with some type of homicide or manslaughter,” Lee said.

“It is certainly and absolutely a tragedy, especially for the Martin Family,” Lee said. "No one expects their teenage son to go the store and never come back.”
No reason this man shouldn't be in prison for murder.

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No reason this man shouldn't be in prison for murder.

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Not if he was physically attacked first.
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Not if he was physically attacked first.
If this punk wasn't carrying a gun everyone would be alive right now.

That is the point.
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No reason this man shouldn't be in prison for murder.

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Glad you can jump to conclusions without hearing any of the other evidence. There are 911 tapes, there are also other eye witnesses since there were other 911 calls. I'm not defending him but you get yourself so worked up bc your fear of guns that you forget why we have a legal system.

It's incredibly sad what happened and if the prosecutor determines that a trial should happen, it will. Let's let a jury hear the evidence and make a decision the right way instead of calling for the banning of all guns.
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Old 03-09-2012, 08:46 AM   #401
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If this punk wasn't carrying a gun everyone would be alive right now.

That is the point.
Or maybe if he wasn't attacked everyone would still be alive? Who knows what happened after he got out of the car.
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people could just as easily kill one another by carring a telecopic baton/pipe etc.

once we hear the evidence we'll see if the guy was in the right/wrong.

the gun doesn't have anything to do with it IMO. Sure it was used to kill the kid, but he could've beat the kid to death as well.
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Glad you can jump to conclusions without hearing any of the other evidence. There are 911 tapes, there are also other eye witnesses since there were other 911 calls. I'm not defending him but you get yourself so worked up bc your fear of guns that you forget why we have a legal system.

It's incredibly sad what happened and if the prosecutor determines that a trial should happen, it will. Let's let a jury hear the evidence and make a decision the right way instead of calling for the banning of all guns.
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Right. This family may not be alive if Wickedson had his way.

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Old 03-09-2012, 08:49 AM   #404
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If this punk wasn't carrying a gun everyone would be alive right now.

That is the point.
You can't be so sure. Who's to say if the altercation happens that the kid doesn't beat the NWC to death? Sounds like he was getting his ass beat anyway, one good punch can kill someone.
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if people didn't have fists, everyone would be alive right now.

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