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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 05-25-2013, 02:54 PM   #4081
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neither do most people who are reasonable

there is simply no evidence he was

in fact the only evidence of physicality points the other way.....cuts on TM'S knuckles, TM on top, GZ broken nose, GZ bashed back of the head

all of the physical evidence points the other way around, the only 'fight' evidence against GZ is purely speculation as following someone, and asking them what they are doing is not 'starting a fight'

if you agree that 'starting a fight' means physically assaulting someone, then there is zero proof GZ started anything.(other than imagination/speculation)

i believe that will get him off...unless there is some mystery camera or witness that has GZ throwing the 1st blow
I don't think Zimmerman will be found guilty. I'm talking about putting the pieces together in a logical way.

First of all, Zimmerman saying "what are you doing?" is based on what he claims he said. It is completely unreliable as there is nobody that can confirm / deny what was said (since the only other guy who knows what Zimmerman said is dead). But there's some things the case can be built off of. #1 - Why the hell are Zimmerman's multiple accounts all over the place and inconsistent with each other? If he did nothing wrong, why lie about it? #2 - What was his duty of care as a CCW? As a CCW, he has an extra duty of care not to create situations where you use a firearm and was he in violation of any of those duties (considering that to obtain that license, he was no doubt very well trained on protocol).
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Old 05-25-2013, 02:58 PM   #4082
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neither do most people who are reasonable

there is simply no evidence he was

in fact the only evidence of physicality points the other way.....cuts on TM'S knuckles, TM on top, GZ broken nose, GZ bashed back of the head

all of the physical evidence points the other way around, the only 'fight' evidence against GZ is purely speculation as following someone, and asking them what they are doing is not 'starting a fight'

if you agree that 'starting a fight' means physically assaulting someone, then there is zero proof GZ started anything.(other than imagination/speculation)

i believe that will get him off...unless there is some mystery camera or witness that has GZ throwing the 1st blow
Also... he called 911 so it's not like he was caught by surprise by Trayvon. He knew Trayvon was out there.

If he knew a person was out there and he chose to pursue that person as opposed to going back into his car and surveying the situation, then that is a guy carrying a gun proactively trying to create a situation where he may have to use that gun.
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Old 05-25-2013, 03:07 PM   #4083
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Also... he called 911 so it's not like he was caught by surprise by Trayvon. He knew Trayvon was out there.

If he knew a person was out there and he chose to pursue that person as opposed to going back into his car and surveying the situation, then that is a guy carrying a gun proactively trying to create a situation where he may have to use that gun.
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Old 05-25-2013, 03:22 PM   #4084
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The things you are talking about are pure speculation.....I'm trying to stick to facts....

No matter what happens with this case....the race card will keep being played, and neither side will be ok with the outcome....

If you "put pieces together " favoring one side, you then logically must do so for the other....thats what the jury will do

Reasonable

If your version of speculation is reasonable for TM we must then speculate for GZ. IT doesn't even have to be as likely of a story. It simply has to be reasonable.
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Old 05-25-2013, 04:32 PM   #4085
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If you think this was just some average person who saw something suspicious, reported it, and innocently got caught up in something than I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.
If you can get it up to Washington state, I know some people who might be interested.
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Old 05-25-2013, 05:20 PM   #4086
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The things you are talking about are pure speculation.....I'm trying to stick to facts....

No matter what happens with this case....the race card will keep being played, and neither side will be ok with the outcome....

If you "put pieces together " favoring one side, you then logically must do so for the other....thats what the jury will do

Reasonable

If your version of speculation is reasonable for TM we must then speculate for GZ. IT doesn't even have to be as likely of a story. It simply has to be reasonable.
There is no speculation about the story that he ended up far away from his car, in the middle of a courtyard, that he had both neighborhood launch and ccw training, and if we are talking facts it's fair to ask why zimmerman can't seem to keep his facts straight.

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Like I said in a court of law, Zimmerman is innocent. But common sense says that he was likely a douche bag

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Old 05-25-2013, 11:02 PM   #4088
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I don't think Zimmerman will be found guilty. I'm talking about putting the pieces together in a logical way.

First of all, Zimmerman saying "what are you doing?" is based on what he claims he said. It is completely unreliable as there is nobody that can confirm / deny what was said (since the only other guy who knows what Zimmerman said is dead). But there's some things the case can be built off of. #1 - Why the hell are Zimmerman's multiple accounts all over the place and inconsistent with each other? If he did nothing wrong, why lie about it? #2 - What was his duty of care as a CCW? As a CCW, he has an extra duty of care not to create situations where you use a firearm and was he in violation of any of those duties (considering that to obtain that license, he was no doubt very well trained on protocol).
If Zimmerman's story is that he said, "What are you doing?" and that he never identified himself as Neighborhood Watch, then that is pretty screwed up.
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Old 05-26-2013, 08:07 AM   #4089
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If Zimmerman's story is that he said, "What are you doing?" and that he never identified himself as Neighborhood Watch, then that is pretty screwed up.
The police have said that all of this likely could have been avoided if he took that simple step. George Zimmerman knew the rules but like many things in life, he seemed to believe the rules didn't apply to him (yet was extraordinarily judgmental about people he thought were breaking rules).

And this is all assuming that Zimmerman said "what are you doing" as opposed to something like "hey boy, what the **** do you think you're doing?"

The fact that Zimmerman can't seem to get his story straight doesn't help.
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Old 05-26-2013, 11:55 AM   #4090
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"what are you doing" as opposed to something like "hey boy, what the **** do you think you're doing?"
One of these are illegal to say?
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One of these are illegal to say?
Either one obviously warrants being battered.
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One of these are illegal to say?
I'm oversimplifying of course. I'm saying that there is plenty of language he could have used to provoke the situation. What if he grabbed Trayvon by the shoulder. Started talking shit. Etc.... The idea that he said "what are you doing" is completely unreliable because the only person who claims he said it is the one guy who's going on trial.

And as a guy concealing a firearm, that stuff matters a hell of a lot more than if he wasn't carrying.
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Either one obviously warrants being battered.
There are a whole ton of things that shouldn't be said when you are carrying a firearm.
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I'm oversimplifying of course. I'm saying that there is plenty of language he could have used to provoke the situation. What if he grabbed Trayvon by the shoulder. Started talking shit. Etc.... The idea that he said "what are you doing" is completely unreliable because the only person who claims he said it is the one guy who's going on trial.

And as a guy concealing a firearm, that stuff matters a hell of a lot more than if he wasn't carrying.
He could of asked him if he liked fried chicken and watermelon and that still does not justify felony assault.
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The police have said that all of this likely could have been avoided if he took that simple step. George Zimmerman knew the rules but like many things in life, he seemed to believe the rules didn't apply to him (yet was extraordinarily judgmental about people he thought were breaking rules).

And this is all assuming that Zimmerman said "what are you doing" as opposed to something like "hey boy, what the **** do you think you're doing?"

The fact that Zimmerman can't seem to get his story straight doesn't help.
None of that shit matters. Doesn't matter who Martin was or Zimmerman is....it's all about what happened when Martin started banging his head into the concrete. That's why Martin is dead. Forensic evidence shows this to match up in Zimmerman's story despite NBC trying to lead people otherwise with false pictures and accounts.
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