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Old 03-08-2012, 11:50 AM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 06-28-2013, 08:16 PM   #4726
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They can easily tell how far away TM was away from Zimmerman when he got shot.


If it looked like Zimmerman shot Martin from a distance of more than a foot or more, Zimmerman is screwed. If the gunshots were from point-blank range, Zimmerman shot while getting his ass kicked like he probably deserved.
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Old 06-28-2013, 08:49 PM   #4727
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Depends on if they believe his story about "being slammed into concrete." His wounds, lack of blood on the concrete, could be construed as just taking an ass kicking that he overreacted to and pulled his piece.

We know he got punched in the nose...not justifiable for lethal retaliation. His lacerations did not even require stitches, doesn't really add up as neatly as you project.
Except that your heads can take a pretty serious pounding without opening up and even then rarely bleeds much. The physical evidence (that we have access to so far) does not in any way contradict Zimmerman's account. That doesn't mean he didn't deserve an ass kicking, we simply don;t know, we weren't there. He also could have self inflicted the wounds, but doubtful given the timeline and witnesses.

It all pivots on who ATTACKED the other first and the amount of overt provocation. I can't imagine any way that we will ever have those facts. So people are free to believe Z is guilty as hell but this case should have never been brought for criminal trial with what we know so far. Much more suitable for a civil trial.
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Old 06-28-2013, 08:56 PM   #4728
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Except that your heads can take a pretty serious pounding without opening up and even then rarely bleeds much. The physical evidence (that we have access to so far) does not in any way contradict Zimmerman's account. That doesn't mean he didn't deserve an ass kicking, we simply don;t know, we weren't there. He also could have self inflicted the wounds, but doubtful given the timeline and witnesses.

It all pivots on who ATTACKED the other first and the amount of overt provocation. I can't imagine any way that we will ever have those facts. So people are free to believe Z is guilty as hell but this case should have never been brought for criminal trial with what we know so far. Much more suitable for a civil trial.
This thing has gone to trial because of the publicity. Otherwise, charges aren't even brought.
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Old 06-28-2013, 09:11 PM   #4729
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This thing has gone to trial because of the publicity. Otherwise, charges aren't even brought.
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Old 06-28-2013, 09:36 PM   #4730
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This thing has gone to trial because of the publicity. Otherwise, charges aren't even brought.
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Old 06-28-2013, 09:39 PM   #4731
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For 2nd degree murder, absolutely...manslaughter is a different matter. He could be covering up his corn hole for 5 to 10 years for his dumbassery yet.
It's clearly becoming more about self-defense. Remember, Florida has a Stand Your Ground Law too.
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Old 06-29-2013, 05:57 AM   #4733
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This thread reaks of bigots gloating over the death of a black child. Keep celebrating bigots.
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Old 06-29-2013, 09:12 AM   #4734
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If Zimmerman did not have a gun he would not of followed Martin.

If Martin survived the shooting, Zimmerman would be convicted by guilty plea or murder of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. It would not even be a close case.

Zimmerman failed to get his Associate's degree in criminal justice even though he really wanted that career. Even if he could not make the grade, he must have had some classes about what 'police' should say when encountering someone.

Hard to believe that, by his own statement, he admits that he did not even try to put Martin on notice that he was a "neighborhood watch" who had already summoned the police.

Not only does he call the police on insufficient facts that could add up to reasonable suspicion, he does not even have enough sense to say what he is up to and to let the kid know that he has already called the police.

No doubt, this pussy Zimmerman would be convicted of a felony shooting if Martin survived. Zimmerman would have no chance of avoiding conviction if he had not killed the kid.
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If Zimmerman did not have a gun he would not of followed Martin.
You don't know that as a fact. I'm surprised at you jettio. Even Alan Dershowitz, a liberal, says this is a clear case of self defense even without the Stand Your Ground Law.
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Old 06-29-2013, 09:47 AM   #4736
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You don't know that as a fact. I'm surprised at you jettio. Even Alan Dershowitz, a liberal, says this is a clear case of self defense even without the Stand Your Ground Law.
I make up my own mind about things. Whether or not, it was self-defense depends on whether or not Zimmerman thought he needed to use lethal force to prevent death or serious bodily injury to himself at the time he fired the shot.

I was not there. Dershowitz was not there. You were not there.

So anybody saying that this a 'clear' case would have to be someone that jumps to conclusions based only on the story of the guy who killed the other person and that person's chance to tell his side of the story.

I would not say that it is a clear case, but I think it is more likely that Zimmerman shot Martin without any real belief that he was resisiting a lethal attack. IMO, it is more likely that he was simply embarrassed to get his ass kicked and shot him out of revenge.

I think it is a reasonable assumption to decide that Zimmerman would not have followed Martin if he did not have the gun. Zimmerman is obviously a pussy who can't earn an associate's degree in criminal justice but thinks that he is a cop that can sneak up on people who he has already reported to the police for no good reason and then not even say who he is and that he has already called the police.

If you are surprised at me because I do not agree with someone else then maybe you need to learn to respect people and stop making assumptions or insults for no reason.
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I was not there. Dershowitz was not there. You were not there.
Which is why I said you don't know that as a fact. That was all I said about that.
However, you're saying things as to what Z's state of mind was...his intentions. You don't know that. So far the facts that could shed light on it are contradictory.

As to Dershowitz, he may not have been there but he read the the prosecutor's written charges and both sides of the story. So he made up his mind just as you are, but yours is far more speculative. Nor did the police have any issue with what happened.

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So anybody saying that this a 'clear' case would have to be someone that jumps to conclusions based only on the story of the guy who killed the other person and that person's chance to tell his side of the story.
See above. Well, what are you doing then?

I had no firm opinion when this was first reported, but as when more facts on the case come out, based on the trial so far, it's looks more like that to me and to others. I think the wheels are coming off it.

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I would not say that it is a clear case, but I think it is more likely that Zimmerman shot Martin without any real belief that he was resisiting a lethal attack. IMO, it is more likely that he was simply embarrassed to get his ass kicked and shot him out of revenge.
How do you know what was in his mind? Isn't this jumping to conclusions too?

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I think it is a reasonable assumption to decide that Zimmerman would not have followed Martin if he did not have the gun.
It's speculative and sounds like your political views on guns are an influence.

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Zimmerman is obviously a pussy who can't earn an associate's degree in criminal justice but thinks that he is a cop that can sneak up on people who he has already reported to the police for no good reason and then not even say who he is and that he has already called the police.
Well, that's your opinion of the guy, but it doesn't make him guilty of murder. Both sides have their faults.

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If you are surprised at me because I do not agree with someone else then maybe you need to learn to respect people and stop making assumptions or insults for no reason.
Pointing out something not being a fact, was not an insult. If anything, it alludes to your ability to rely on facts instead of speculation, which I have seen you use before.
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