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Old 03-08-2012, 11:50 AM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 03-19-2012, 11:52 PM   #496
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Well sure. His name is Zimmerman. I'm sorry but I've never heard a hispanic man named Zimmerman. And in no article was his race mentioned at the time.

The victim's race is obviously much more important here and the fact the man was carrying around a gun like a punk and now hopefully he's going to prison.
THAT is some racist shit right there. Screaming kill whitey and when he turns out to be a lighter shade of brown and suddenly you start the back peddaling.

I'm offended both as a hispanic and as a white guy.

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Old 03-20-2012, 12:23 AM   #497
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Could Wickedson be more ignorant?
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Old 03-20-2012, 12:43 AM   #498
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Don't know the facts leading to the confrontation. Here is my problem.
1.Neighborhood WATCH guy packing while confronting strangers.
2.Called 911 and still confronted said stranger.
3.Security Guards get paid and are trained for confrontation with mace and other tools, most do not pack heat. A neighborhood WATCH guy should not conceal and carry while promoting confrontations.
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Old 03-20-2012, 12:50 AM   #499
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Watch Wickedson, ThaVirus, Bump, etc disappear from the thread now that it turns out the guy is Hispanic, not white...

damn, Im slipping

It's not a stereotype if its always true
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Old 03-20-2012, 12:52 AM   #500
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His conceal and carry license will get revoked at the very least and IMO should be convicted of murder. If i cannot kill a burglar just outside my front door, what gives me the right to patrol the streets while armed and kill someone when a confrontation goes south?
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Old 03-20-2012, 01:22 AM   #501
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His conceal and carry license will get revoked at the very least and IMO should be convicted of murder. If i cannot kill a burglar just outside my front door, what gives me the right to patrol the streets while armed and kill someone when a confrontation goes south?
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Old 03-20-2012, 01:55 AM   #502
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There's a difference between defending somebody and not wanting to paint some guy as a racist monster when none of the facts are known and all we have to go on is are obviously biased redacted news stories.

This was all white guy kills black kid! Racist Racist Racist! I'll never buy into that media bullshit. And as it turns out, the ****ing shooter's about as white as I am black.

I guess that explains why there weren't any pictures of him initially.
Zimmerman's not looking or being 100% white is irrelevent to whether he has racist leanings or not. Zimmerman's actions could still have been motivated by racist beliefs. But looking at some of the facts so far, it looks as if the victim was profiled because he was black and wearing a hoodie by Zimmerman. And that alone shows that Zimmerman could very well acted on what well may be his racist leanings. Having said that, Zimmerman looks more multi-racial than anything else. With a mixture of hispanic and anglo-saxon heritage judging by the picture.
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Old 03-20-2012, 05:08 AM   #503
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Well sure. His name is Zimmerman. I'm sorry but I've never heard a hispanic man named Zimmerman. And in no article was his race mentioned at the time.

The victim's race is obviously much more important here and the fact the man was carrying around a gun like a punk and now hopefully he's going to prison.
The "typical" comment pretty much showed everyone where you were coming from. Seems like you have your own prejudices to work out.
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Old 03-20-2012, 06:22 AM   #504
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Zimmerman's not looking or being 100% white is irrelevent to whether he has racist leanings or not. Zimmerman's actions could still have been motivated by racist beliefs. But looking at some of the facts so far, it looks as if the victim was profiled because he was black and wearing a hoodie by Zimmerman. And that alone shows that Zimmerman could very well acted on what well may be his racist leanings. Having said that, Zimmerman looks more multi-racial than anything else. With a mixture of hispanic and anglo-saxon heritage judging by the picture.
That is about right. I do wonder if the kid had been a white kid would this Zimmerman even confronted him?
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Old 03-20-2012, 06:29 AM   #505
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The more details that come out, the more it sounds like this guy is a dumb**** who had zero business being the 'neighborhood watch'.

Starting to sound like he way overstepped his bounds, got punched in the face for it & overreacted.
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Old 03-20-2012, 07:07 AM   #506
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Hey Mr. Plow, you forgot this Wickedson gem in your previous post.

Pretty obvious race played a big role for you Wickedson...are you now going to advocate that a couple of black guys go find and kill a Hispanic kid instead of a white kid, since Zimmerman was not white?
I didn't read the whole thread, just caught the first 2 pages & the last page & 1/2, so I missed that one. Thanks for adding it because it only further proves the point.
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Old 03-20-2012, 08:21 AM   #507
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I don't know the full account provided by Zimmerman in his claims for self-defense, but regardless of whatever went down, how, under any set of circumstances, can someone who is twice the size of another, claim self-defense when shooting said smaller person, who was completely unarmed? Is Zimmerman claiming self-defense because the 17 year old was whooping his ass after Zimmerman approached him and attempted to make (an illegal) citizen's arrest because the 17 year old was walking suspiciously?

If Zimmerman had no just cause to approach/attempt to stop the 17 year old, then he started the altercation by committing a battery (if he initiated the physical contact between the two) or at the very least an assault (if he placed the 17 year old in immediate apprehension of bodily harm). Regardless of what occurred next in the altercation that ensued, Zimmerman's initial action was illegal and the situation he caused resulted in the death of the victim. Zimmerman's actions in this case constitute manslaughter.
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Well sure. His name is Zimmerman. I'm sorry but I've never heard a hispanic man named Zimmerman. And in no article was his race mentioned at the time.

The victim's race is obviously much more important here and the fact the man was carrying around a gun like a punk and now hopefully he's going to prison.
I think we should lynch Scott Fujita over that Pearl Harbor thing.

Oh wait.....
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Old 03-20-2012, 08:23 AM   #509
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dude sounds like a moron, as more and more details come out.
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Old 03-20-2012, 08:25 AM   #510
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dude sounds like a moron, as more and more details come out.
Zimmerman or Wickedson?
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