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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 07-11-2013, 01:47 PM   #5326
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EXPLOSIVE: Did DOJ Give Support to Anti-Zimmerman Rallies?
The Justice Department says its personnel were there performing its "mandated mission" to keep the peace.

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Old 07-11-2013, 01:47 PM   #5327
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Old 07-11-2013, 01:49 PM   #5328
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Old 07-11-2013, 01:50 PM   #5329
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Yeah, because that sort of thing never happens, does it?

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Old 07-11-2013, 01:50 PM   #5330
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He'll get a fair trial. Followed by a first class hanging!
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Old 07-11-2013, 01:52 PM   #5331
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He'll get a fair trial. Followed by a first class hanging!

It's a shame that this world is nothing about justice and all about race... It's sickening.. I think this is how the Government wants it..

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Old 07-11-2013, 02:01 PM   #5332
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that is weird.....

if they can consider manslaughter, Zimmerman could be totally ****ed

Florida...
I think there's reasonable doubt for that too. I just don't know about the jurors here or all of them.

Manslaughter in Florida is defined as the unlawful killing of a human being without malice — including the result of an accident or other act in which the person does not have the mental state to commit a murder.
Or "other act" worries me here. What I don't like about using the lesser charge at the end is the case is not defended based on that but the other charge. That seems to violate due process rights. If they re-try, then they retry using manslaughter and nothing else.

Only....I just found this looking for just a normal self defense claim. Yikes!


http://selfdefenseflorida.com/

It is impossible for any defendant, black or white, man or woman, to get a fair trial in a self-defense case in Florida. While the Florida Legislature amended the self-defense laws in 2005, Florida Statutes 776.013, 776.012 (adopting the “Stand Your Ground” law written by the N.R.A., and since 2005, adopted by 30-odd other states), the Florida Supreme Court has so horribly written the standard self-defense jury instructions (SD-JI) as to deprive all defendants of a fair trial.

The Court refuses to instruct jurors that F.S. 776.012(b) would “justify the use of deadly force” as a result of 776.013(1)’s “presumption of fear.” Instead, jurors are only told that the “presumption of fear” gives “no duty to retreat,” but not a word about a legal right to use force in self-defense. As far as jurors are instructed by the court, you have a right to be afraid, without having to retreat to be afraid – but no right to use self-defense force as a result of that “presumption of fear.” It is F.S. 776.012(b) that adds the legal right to use deadly force in self-defense as a result of F.S. 776.013(1)’s “presumption of fear,” yet the Florida Supreme Court failed to include the provisions F.S. 776.012(b) in the standard jury instructions on self-defense. (In Re Standard Jury Instructions, 930 So. 2d 612 (Fla. 2006); for “Justifiable Use of Deadly Force” [3.6(f)], and “Justifiable Use of Non-Deadly Force [3.6(g)].)
Wonder why Stand Your Ground wasn't used?

Wonder if these jurors know about jury nullification rights, on ignoring the judge's instructions or turning over this bullshit.
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Old 07-11-2013, 02:02 PM   #5333
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Old 07-11-2013, 02:13 PM   #5334
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I can't find any information on the Judge about her politics. She was appointed by Jeb Bush. Ya' know the Republicans that says if he runs for president he'd govern like LBJ.

I also just read the judge can throw out a "not guilty" verdict if the the decision doesn't match the evidence. She can't do that on a "guilty" verdict.
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Old 07-11-2013, 02:18 PM   #5335
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Judge Judy would have been better. I just bet Nelson will be Obama's next judicial nominee for SC!
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Old 07-11-2013, 02:23 PM   #5336
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I also just read the judge can throw out a "not guilty" verdict if the the decision doesn't match the evidence. She can't do that on a "guilty" verdict.
I always that it was the other way around
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Old 07-11-2013, 02:25 PM   #5337
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I have a question for Thatguy.

If the races were reversed, do you think a murder charge would have been brought right away?
Remember, no charges were brought on Z until Al Sharpton go involved.
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Old 07-11-2013, 02:27 PM   #5338
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Old 07-11-2013, 02:30 PM   #5339
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I never saw this material before:
It backs up Zimmerman even more.

From Human Events: Zimmerman Trial is this Year’s Duke Lacrosse Case

There were at least eight burglaries in the 14 months before Zimmerman’s encounter with Martin. Numerous media accounts admit that “most” of these were committed by black males. I’m waiting to hear about a single crime at Twin Lakes that was not committed by a black male.
Just six months before Zimmerman’s encounter with Martin, two men had broken into the home of a neighbor, Olivia Bertalan, while she was alone with her infant son. She had just enough time to call 911 before running upstairs and locking herself in a room. The burglars knew she was home, but proceeded to rob the place anyway, even trying to enter the locked room where she held her crying child.Bertalan had seen the burglars just before they broke into her house — one at the front door and one at the back. They were young black males. They lived in the Retreat by Twin Lakes.

In another case, a black teenager strode up to Zimmerman’s house and, in broad daylight, stole a bicycle off the front porch. The bike was never recovered.

Weeks before Zimmerman saw Martin, he witnessed another young black male peering into the window of a neighbor’s house. He called the cops, but by the time they arrived, the suspect was gone.

A few days later, another house was burglarized. The thieves made off with jewelry and a new laptop. Roofers working across the street had seen two black teenagers near the house at the time of the robbery. When they spotted one of the teens the next day, they called the police.

This time, the roofers followed the suspect so he wouldn’t get away. The cops arrived and found the stolen laptop in his backpack. This was the same black teenager Zimmerman had seen looking in a neighbor’s window.

The only reason it’s hard to imagine the Zimmerman case with the races reversed is that it’s hard to imagine a white teenager living in a mixed-race, middle-class community, mugging a black homeowner. This is not a problem of society’s reactions, but of the facts.

There is, however, at least one case of a black homeowner fatally shooting a white troublemaker. He was not charged with murder.

In 2006, the ironically named John White was sound asleep at his nice Long Island home when his teenage son woke him to say there was a mob of white kids shouting epithets in front of the house. The family was in no imminent danger. They could have called 911 and remained safely behind locked doors.

But White grabbed a loaded Beretta and headed out to the end of the driveway to confront the mob. A scuffle ensued and White ended up shooting one of the kids in the face, killing him.

White was charged and convicted only of illegal weapons possession — this was New York, after all — and involuntary manslaughter. He was sentenced to 20 months-to-four years in prison, but after serving five months was pardoned by Gov. David Paterson.
In Florida Z gets 30 years for manslaughter. Holy Crap! And I don't see Scott giving a pardon due to the race issues boiling over.

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I also just read the judge can throw out a "not guilty" verdict if the the decision doesn't match the evidence. She can't do that on a "guilty" verdict.
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