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Old 03-08-2012, 11:50 AM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 07-12-2013, 10:43 AM   #5476
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Again, the reason why Z is not guilty is because Trayvon doubled back.
Not it isn't the reason. The reason Z is not guilty is because he feared bodily harm or death. It comes down to his state of mind when being hit martial arts style.

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And that's where it gets sticky. What happens when the person you follow attacks in self defense, starts winning the fight, and then you have to use a gun because the guy is winning?
Trayvon did not act in self defense. He was being arrogant,angry and assaulted first. He could have called 911 but didn't. But only Z is the moron to you.

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That's why I keep saying this case is very interesting from a standpoint of how much power you want for untrained civilians to patrol the streets in this proactive a manner.
Yup, you're a progressive. Cops never come on time. Yet you prefer a state monopoly on force.
A citizen has a right to act in a pro-active manner regarding crime in their neighborhood. Yet you deny that right.

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Z could have avoided a lot of this if he followed unbelievably basic protocol.
Same of Martin if he didn't assault Z and/or called 9/11.
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Old 07-12-2013, 10:44 AM   #5477
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Yeah, well there isn't any evidence of an impending attack. You're speculating here. Or are you into pre-emptive attacks? ( Heh, Did you criticize our invasion of Iraq?) Trayvon should have called 911 if that's what he thought. He didn't.


Because you only have a right to attack only when being physically attacked. That's common sense. You are really grasping at straws. Fact is Trayvon assaulted.



Because self-defense is justified when already under attack. You're not being intelligent, you lack common sense here. You are not applying the same standard—at all. Get your categories in their proper classification.

Furthermore, another illogic is why would someone with a gun start a fistfight with a 4 inch taller and more athletic person than himself, a person who was soft physically? Doesn't make a stitch of sense. Or why would a person start a fist fight when they knew the other had a gun on them. They wouldn't. Well, unless they were a moron.
I'm going to stop my car when you are walking down the street at night. Get out and follow you. I make an attempt to catch up with you. Tell me how you feel then. I doubt you get out and walk much though.
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Old 07-12-2013, 10:46 AM   #5478
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Is that right? Suppose someone runs around picking fights. Inevitably, this guy gets his ass kicked every time. Could he pull out his gun and shoot the other guy every time, given that he "fears for his life"?
Picking a fight is an entirely different category of thing. So this is not apples to apples—aka illogical.

Stick to the facts of this case. You progressives just can't do that because underlying the matter is your view on guns and/or race.
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Old 07-12-2013, 10:49 AM   #5479
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I'm going to stop my car when you are walking down the street at night. Get out and follow you. I make an attempt to catch up with you. Tell me how you feel then. I doubt you get out and walk much though.
How I'd feel? I'd call 911.

And I already said, I was a victim of that kind of thing once and another time with two friends who got attacked after being followed. But we were in a very bad area and didn't know it. None of us attacked before being attacked either.

And I already said I thought it was legit Trayvon was also scared and that they both mis-read each other. Next time, read the thread before you make gross assumptions.

And actually, I walk quit a bit and swim in my pool too.
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Old 07-12-2013, 10:49 AM   #5480
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Picking a fight is an entirely different category of thing. So this is not apples to apples—aka illogical.

Stick to the facts of this case. You progressives just can't do that because underlying the matter is your view on guns and/or race.
I'd suggest you read the post to which I was responding prior to running your mouth regarding "logic".
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Old 07-12-2013, 10:50 AM   #5481
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I'd suggest you read the post to which I was responding prior to running your mouth regarding "logic".
I did. My point still stands.
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Old 07-12-2013, 10:54 AM   #5482
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It still could have been avoided if Trayvon didn't assault him too.
Like I said, two dumb people that night. Trayvon being the dumber one, based on what we knkow.
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Old 07-12-2013, 10:56 AM   #5483
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But only Z is the moron to you.
Seriously... why do you keep saying this when I have said a million times that Trayvon was a moron and that his moronic acts are what makes Z not guilty?
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Like I said, two dumb people that night. Trayvon being the dumber one, based on what we knkow.
Yet, you aim for for Z since day one.
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Old 07-12-2013, 10:56 AM   #5485
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Seriously... why do you keep saying this when I have said a million times that Trayvon was a moron and that his moronic acts are what makes Z not guilty?
You only do that when you get called on it.
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Old 07-12-2013, 11:03 AM   #5486
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Not it isn't the reason. The reason Z is not guilty is because he feared bodily harm or death. It comes down to his state of mind when being hit martial arts style.



Trayvon did not act in self defense. He was being arrogant,angry and assaulted first. He could have called 911 but didn't. But only Z is the moron to you.



Yup, you're a progressive. Cops never come on time. Yet you prefer a state monopoly on force.
A citizen has a right to act in a pro-active manner regarding crime in their neighborhood. Yet you deny that right.
It is not "progressive" to believe that Americans should have a right to carry, but should treat that right responsibly. Gun training is unbelievably clear about not putting yourself in situations where you may need to use their gun. They are incredibly clear about not pursuing a situation unless there is strong reason to believe something or someone is in danger.

And by the way... police have special licenses that require extra training to deal with pursuit situations. Z does not. The reason you don't want ordinary citizens proactively patrolling neighborhoods with guns is because they are poorly trained. Which is obvious, because Z handled himself stupidly that night.
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Old 07-12-2013, 11:07 AM   #5487
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It is not "progressive" to believe that Americans should have a right to carry, but should treat that right responsibly. Gun training is unbelievably clear about not putting yourself in situations where you may need to use their gun. They are incredibly clear about not pursuing a situation unless there is strong reason to believe something or someone is in danger.
It's your opinion Z didn't handle that right responsibly. Z did not pursue. You think asserting that constantly makes him guilty of a wrong. This is all just your personal opinion.

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And by the way... police have special licenses that require extra training to deal with pursuit situations. Z does not. The reason you don't want ordinary citizens proactively patrolling neighborhoods with guns is because they are poorly trained. Which is obvious, because Z handled himself stupidly that night.
Again, this is your opinion....and it's not really relevant in the end.


Of course, you're entitled to your opinion. You're not entitled to your own facts.
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Old 07-12-2013, 11:12 AM   #5488
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You only do that when you get called on it.
I get called out on it because people have ignored that point that I've made over and over again.

I am not defending Trayvon. I hate what he did that night. Period.
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Old 07-12-2013, 11:14 AM   #5489
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I get called out on it because people have ignored that point that I've made over and over again.
Because it's not that relevant.

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I am not defending Trayvon. I hate what he did that night. Period.
Coulda fooled me....like when the prosecution's appeal to authority demonization of Z started including changing some testimony of a witness and lying.
You came alive over that, as I stated before.
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