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Old 03-08-2012, 11:50 AM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 07-12-2013, 12:48 PM   #5521
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I don't have the time or energy, but someone will correct you on the facts shortly.
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The illegal part of the confrontation
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Old 07-12-2013, 12:50 PM   #5523
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The part about the operator instructions to Zimmerman. You're about the 12th person to exaggerate that and the reasons behind it. It's been beaten like a dead horse already.
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That's taking Zimmerman's version of events and applying as if they are 100% correct. We will never know all the story. I believe George Zimmerman was fearing for his safety when he was having his ass handed to him, I also believe Trayvon Martin was fearing for his safety as well by being followed by an unknown individual with unknown intentions. Where does the confrontation begin?

I believe that Zimmerman took the initial action the started the confrontation, him getting out of his car and pursuing. The 911 call where Zimmerman stated, "these guys always get away" clearly shows his thought process that he was viewing this individual walking down the street as a criminal in process of a crime. He was wrong. Add in the fact that his only contact with law enforcement at that time specifically told him that they did not want him pursuing Trayvon. He disregarded their instructions. He made more wrongs moves than one can shake a stick at. And as one who worked in an industry for 2 decades where confrontations of this sort happen on a regular basis. I can tell you from that experience, Zimmerman is someone I would be afraid to work with or be around. No ability to accurately assess a situation is bad. And usually ends up with someone hurt.
No, I'm not taking Zimmerman's version of events as gospel. I can't be more clear. Using YOUR version of events, Zimmerman was justified.
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Old 07-12-2013, 12:52 PM   #5525
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No, I'm not taking Zimmerman's version of events as gospel. I can't be more clear. Using YOUR version of events, Zimmerman was justified.
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Zimmerman's course of conduct in Trayvon's eye's would suggest he had a reason to fear for his own well being from what we know was said from Trayvon.

Could Trayvon been under the impression that a crime was about to be committed on him? And we go back to, when did Trayvon have to wait to defend himself from the unknown individual? When he was shot, or punched?
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Old 07-12-2013, 01:04 PM   #5528
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WTF do you think Trayon was trying to do, tickle him?
Raining down bombs...and yet Travyon had NO blood or DNA from Zimmerman on his hands or on his clothes. How is that even possible? If Trayvon was really smothering Zimmerman as he said, why was there no blood found on his hoodie or on his hands?

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The part about the operator instructions to Zimmerman. You're about the 12th person to exaggerate that and the reasons behind it. It's been beaten like a dead horse already.
Ok, we don't need you to do that.

That is a pretty damn precise instructions. If you aren't a jackass.
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Zimmerman's course of conduct in Trayvon's eye's would suggest he had a reason to fear for his own well being from what we know was said from Trayvon.
Some have admitted as much. But if he was why didn't he get home...he had 4 whole minutes but didn't use it for that.

Can't you see it as both have some legit concerns whereby they misread each other? It was pretty darn dark.

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Could Trayvon been under the impression that a crime was about to be committed on him? And we go back to, when did Trayvon have to wait to defend himself from the unknown individual? When he was shot, or punched?

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Ok, we don't need you to do that.

That is a pretty damn precise instructions. If you aren't a jackass.
Irrelevant since ignoring it is not required by law; nor necessarily wrong. It's just wrong to you.
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Raining down bombs...and yet Travyon had NO blood or DNA from Zimmerman on his hands or on his clothes. How is that even possible? If Trayvon was really smothering Zimmerman as he said, why was there no blood found on his hoodie or on his hands?



"If you look at the injuries they are so minor they are not consistent with grave force," Rao said. "If somebody's head is banged with grave force I would expect a lot of injuries. I don't see that."

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/george-zi...6#.UeBS9G37Zho

You do realize that every punch to the head doesn't automatically equal a massive laceration or cut?
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Ok, we don't need you to do that.

That is a pretty damn precise instructions. If you aren't a jackass.
She was more than likely saying that for Zimmerman's protection. And, it's not an order, it's a suggestion which he did not have to follow.
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Irrelevant since ignoring it is not required by law; nor necessarily wrong. It's just wrong to you.
Interesting, I hadn't really mulled that over much.
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She was more than likely saying that for Zimmerman's protection. And, it's not an order, it's a suggestion which he did not have to follow.
Obviously. Just not to progs who are seeking vengeance based on their racial division agenda.
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