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Old 03-08-2012, 11:50 AM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 07-12-2013, 01:10 PM   #5536
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Some have admitted as much. But if he was why didn't he get home...he had 4 whole minutes but didn't use it for that.

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Same could be asked of Zimmerman. The operator suggested to him to stop following Zimmerman 14 seconds after he got out of his car. Why is it that he never made it back after several minutes despite having agreed on where to meet the police?

Even if he decided to do the crab walk back it should have taken less than a minute to get to his truck.
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Old 07-12-2013, 01:12 PM   #5537
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She was more than likely saying that for Zimmerman's protection. And, it's not an order, it's a suggestion which he did not have to follow.
She was saying that because she didn't want a likely victim on emergency services hands. Either person. Guess what?

It was the proper instruction which was not followed and resulted in a child's death. Who made the decision to **** off the *cough*suggestion?
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You do realize that every punch to the head doesn't automatically equal a massive laceration or cut?
Your head being bashed against concrete repeatedly should produce more than a 2cm cut. Unless that was the softest concrete in the world or Zimmerman has the toughest scalp in the world.

Look at skateboarders and bicyclists when they fall and how easy it is to skin yourself on concrete. You think your head being bashed a bunch of times against concrete wouldn't produce big cuts or significant injury?
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Old 07-12-2013, 01:15 PM   #5539
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Same could be asked of Zimmerman. The operator suggested to him to stop following Zimmerman 14 seconds after he got out of his car. Why is it that he never made it back after several minutes despite having agreed on where to meet the police?

Even if he decided to do the crab walk back it should have taken less than a minute to get to his truck.
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Raining down bombs...and yet Travyon had NO blood or DNA from Zimmerman on his hands or on his clothes. How is that even possible? If Trayvon was really smothering Zimmerman as he said, why was there no blood found on his hoodie or on his hands?



"If you look at the injuries they are so minor they are not consistent with grave force," Rao said. "If somebody's head is banged with grave force I would expect a lot of injuries. I don't see that."

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/george-zi...6#.UeBS9G37Zho
You go find me Rao's resume and we can compare. I don't think that was submitted into evidence.
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The part about the operator instructions to Zimmerman. You're about the 12th person to exaggerate that and the reasons behind it. It's been beaten like a dead horse already.
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The 911 operator testified on the first day of the trial that they do NOT direct people what to do for liability issues. The actual quote was a suggestion and that suggestion was "We don't need you to do that."
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Your head being bashed against concrete repeatedly should produce more than a 2cm cut. Unless that was the softest concrete in the world or Zimmerman has the toughest scalp in the world.

Look at skateboarders and bicyclists when they fall and how easy it is to skin yourself on concrete. You think your head being bashed a bunch of times against concrete wouldn't produce big cuts or significant injury?
I have seen facial and scalp lacerations from very minute injuries, I also have seen no lacerations from injuries or impacts that were quite extensive.
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You go find me Rao's resume and we can compare. I don't think that was submitted into evidence.
She was a witness.
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I have seen facial and scalp lacerations from very minute injuries, I also have seen no lacerations from injuries or impacts that were quite extensive.
So Zimmerman has the toughest scalp in the world? Once again, we're talking about a head (nearly bald one at that) being forcibly smashed into concrete repeatedly. And the most significant injury still requires only a bandaid?

Right.
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Zimmerman's course of conduct in Trayvon's eye's would suggest he had a reason to fear for his own well being from what we know was said from Trayvon.

Could Trayvon been under the impression that a crime was about to be committed on him? And we go back to, when did Trayvon have to wait to defend himself from the unknown individual? When he was shot, or punched?
Martin under the law had no reasonable expectation to hit Zimmerman. None. And if he was fearful and was almost at his father's girl friends house then he would have gone in the house. IMO opinion he was looking for a fight.
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Raining down bombs...and yet Travyon had NO blood or DNA from Zimmerman on his hands or on his clothes. How is that even possible? If Trayvon was really smothering Zimmerman as he said, why was there no blood found on his hoodie or on his hands?



"If you look at the injuries they are so minor they are not consistent with grave force," Rao said. "If somebody's head is banged with grave force I would expect a lot of injuries. I don't see that."

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/george-zi...6#.UeBS9G37Zho
Zimmerman had 6 identifiable non-bleeding bruises on his head in addition to the bleeding of the nose and head according to the defenses medical examiner.
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So Zimmerman has the toughest scalp in the world? Once again, we're talking about a head (nearly bald one at that) being forcibly smashed into concrete repeatedly. And the most significant injury still requires only a bandaid?

Right.
So are you saying he faked the scalp lacerations and the broken nose?
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The 911 operator testified on the first day of the trial that they do NOT direct people what to do for liability issues. The actual quote was a suggestion and that suggestion was "We don't need you to do that."

Which is exactly why I believe in manslaughter being the proper charge. Zimmerman wasn't out to murder Trayvon. But his actions up to the end was a direct result of a persons death. The actions he chose to take bears some responsibility in this case.
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So are you saying he faked the scalp lacerations and the broken nose?
Nope. I'm just saying that his injuries aren't as life threatening as people would like to make them seem. He did not look like a guy that had been in a fight for his life. Just a guy who got his ass beat and got angry and shot someone.
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Zimmerman had 6 identifiable non-bleeding bruises on his head in addition to the bleeding of the nose and head according to the defenses medical examiner.
Yeah, he got his ass beat. He suffered minor non life threatening injuries. Still no reason to kill someone.
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