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Old 03-08-2012, 11:50 AM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 03-20-2012, 04:35 PM   #556
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There is one audio tape where you can clearly hear either Trayvon or Zimmerman yelling for help...The problem is that initially Trayvon's father stated it could not be his son's voice....

Now he has changed his story.
So he changed his mind? And your point is....

I have read that the father openly wept when the 911 call was played where have you seen he said it wasn't his voice?
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Old 03-20-2012, 04:37 PM   #557
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How do you think the prosecution's case goes down the tubes if Zimmerman was yelling for help? If I'm the prosecution, I say, "Dude attacked a kid and the kid was defending himself. If Zimmerman is a wimp and started crying, that's his problem. It's not allowable to murder a kid who fights back when he's being attacked."
If Zimmerman is the one crying for help, it doesnt make sense that he is the one who was more physically in control / aggressive. If Zimmerman is crying for help, it is going to hurt the prosecution in terms of being able to prove BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT that it wasn't self defense. If zimmerman is crying for help, it could be reasonable to assume that zimmerman approached him, and the kid swung on him.initiating the fight..knocked him down, jumped on him and zimmerman shot in self defense at that point.

If trayvon is the one crying for help, none of that is an issue. If Trayvon is crying for help, I think it goes a long way to clearing up reasonable doubt for murder 2 or negligent homicide.

You are assuming Zimmerman "attacked" him which is a false assumption. Generally whoever attacks the other person is not going to cry for help. I think thats a fairly reasonable assumption.
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Old 03-20-2012, 04:39 PM   #558
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So he changed his mind? And your point is....

My point simply is it has not been established 100% that it is Trayvon's voice crying for help, as YOU suggested

I have read that the father openly wept when the 911 call was played where have you seen he said it wasn't his voice?

Ill find the link if you wish, but if you are already reading/listening to the audio tapes it should be right there in plain english
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Old 03-20-2012, 04:44 PM   #559
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You read my initial post incorrectly then. I do believe there was an (assuming) in there
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Old 03-20-2012, 04:47 PM   #560
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Just listened to the 911 call where (assuming) is treyvon shouting for help and I am slightly upset. The fact that a person can be outside your home in broad daylight screaming for help and no one comes disturbs me on so many levels. Yes call the police, but for christs sake do something - maybe its just me - but we should have an innate instinct to try and help each other. I mean if you ( the general public) saw an able bodied man pummeling the ever living shit out of an 85 year old woman on your sidewalk or if this had been a girl would it change how you responded? Hide and call 911? Have we become so fearful of the legal system we refuse to get involved in anything? Someone tell me I'm wrong and explain to me why no one could stick their head out the door and say hey WTF are you doing?

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BTW a little research turns up Mr Zimmerman likes to assault police officers. Not someone who sounds like they would be scared of a 17 yo kid
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Old 03-20-2012, 04:51 PM   #562
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You read my initial post incorrectly then. I do believe there was an (assuming) in there
Do you know what assuming means?
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LOL Al Sharpton is coming? That's game then. Zimmerman is done.
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Do you know what assuming means?
Yes. It also means that it could be the other way. I didn't say it was his voice - I said assuming it is. Cmon man you act like this is personal. And to top it off never read past the first couple of lines apparently.
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Yes. It also means that it could be the other way. I didn't say it was his voice - I said assuming it is.
Well, from your post (which I did read) it was pretty clear the assumption on your part was that it was Trayvon's voice, you never mentioned the idea that it could have been Zimmerman's or another Homeowner, not any other implication of what that might mean. When you assume that something IS, you immediately stop examining the other options. Thats what assuming means...What I am saying is that you need to drop that assumption and examine the other options...Its nothing personal.....Actually I am having a hard time myself finding the link to the initial report where they play the audio tape for the family.....In the initial report, his father outright says it is not Trayvon's voice...But I am unable to find the link yet...I am 100% sure this will be a major, key factor in the case so it will come up at some point. Theres just so many articles to wade through, it makes searching tougher.
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Just moments before Trayvon Martin was shot and killed, he was on his cellphone talking with a 16-year-old girl. For the first time, the girl is speaking out about the last, horrifying moments of Martin's life.

"He said this man was watching him, so he put his hoodie on. He said he lost the man," the girl told ABC News. "I asked Trayvon to run, and he said he was going to walk fast. I told him to run but he said he was not going to run."

According to accounts gleaned from 911 audio recordings made the night of the killing and the teenage girl's statements, Martin eventually did run. But Zimmerman wasn't far behind, and soon the two would be face to face.

Zimmerman, the self-appointed captain of the neighborhood watch, was armed with a 9mm pistol. Trayvon had little more than a bag of candy in his pocket.

"Trayvon said, 'What are you following me for?' and the man said, 'What are you doing here?' Next thing I hear is somebody pushing, and somebody pushed Trayvon because the headset just fell. I called him again and he didn't answer the phone."

The line went dead, according to the girl's account.
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