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Old 03-08-2012, 11:50 AM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 03-20-2012, 05:06 PM   #571
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Well, from your post (which I did read) it was pretty clear the assumption on your part was that it was Trayvon's voice, you never mentioned the idea that it could have been Zimmerman's or another Homeowner, not any other implication of what that might mean. When you assume that something IS, you immediately stop examining the other options. Thats what assuming means...What I am saying is that you need to drop that assumption and examine the other options...Its nothing personal.....Actually I am having a hard time myself finding the link to the initial report where they play the audio tape for the family.....In the initial report, his father outright says it is not Trayvon's voice...But I am unable to find the link yet...I am 100% sure this will be a major, key factor in the case so it will come up at some point. Theres just so many articles to wade through, it makes searching tougher.
It is much more difficult from a LEO standpoint to assume an instigator suddenly turns victim. Compounded by the fact he was arrested for assaulting a police officer.
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Old 03-20-2012, 05:09 PM   #572
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Sounds like when the guy got out of his car the self defense thing was gone. I am a big R2C person, a big 2nd person, but this sounds like murder 2.
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Old 03-20-2012, 05:10 PM   #573
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Scared Mexican=childlike voice
I bet you giggled with glee at the opportunity to use that..
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Old 03-20-2012, 05:11 PM   #574
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Old 03-20-2012, 05:17 PM   #575
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Please do a little more research. Trayvon's father initially said that it couldnt be him....There are some who have said it is Zimmerman....This is the main reason (IMO) the FBI was called in.

Trayvon's father changed his story when Al Sharpton and the lawyers came into town. All of a sudden, he recognized his voice, supposedly, when he had been UNABLE to do so the 1st time listening to the tapes.

I'm not saying it is Zimmerman's voice for sure, but do not be 100% sure that it is Trayvon's. This is a HUGE, GIANT issue that will come up again....
It is possible.. I don't sound like me when I hear myself over a speaker or voicemail..

And the only way this family gets the justice they deserve for their son is if a vigilante takes the guy out.. He will not get squat more then likely in a criminal case, and there ways to avoid civil judgments by being poor..

I have not seen it, but has the guy apologized??
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Old 03-20-2012, 05:18 PM   #576
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It is possible.. I don't sound like me when I hear myself over a speaker or voicemail..

And the only way this family gets the justice they deserve for their son is if a vigilante takes the guy out.. He will not get squat more then likely in a criminal case, and there ways to avoid civil judgments by being poor..

I have not seen it, but has the guy apologized??
I'd imagine his attorney keeps close control over any activity of this type.
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Old 03-20-2012, 05:19 PM   #577
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Apologizing would be monumentally stupid from a legal standpoint
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Old 03-20-2012, 05:24 PM   #578
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If Zimmerman is the one crying for help, it doesnt make sense that he is the one who was more physically in control / aggressive. If Zimmerman is crying for help, it is going to hurt the prosecution in terms of being able to prove BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT that it wasn't self defense. If zimmerman is crying for help, it could be reasonable to assume that zimmerman approached him, and the kid swung on him.initiating the fight..knocked him down, jumped on him and zimmerman shot in self defense at that point.

If trayvon is the one crying for help, none of that is an issue. If Trayvon is crying for help, I think it goes a long way to clearing up reasonable doubt for murder 2 or negligent homicide.

You are assuming Zimmerman "attacked" him which is a false assumption. Generally whoever attacks the other person is not going to cry for help. I think thats a fairly reasonable assumption.
Regardless, The defense is not going to be able to prove that Zimmerman was not the aggressor.. He got out of his car and chased a kid, after remarks to the police and ignoring their orders.. If anyone thinks Zimmerman is not the aggressor for his actions, I hope Zimmerman finds your kid and does the same..

But, for some reason(they are from florida) they find that guy not guilty you will see tons of copycat crimes that try to use the same defense..
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Old 03-20-2012, 05:26 PM   #579
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Regardless, The defense is not going to be able to prove that Zimmerman was not the aggressor..
Last I checked, that isn't their job. The don't NEED to do that. All they have to do is establish a reasonable doubt. Not an overwhelming doubt...Not a serious doubt...merely a reasonable doubt. A doubt any reasonable person might have. Him crying for help is a major factor in that (if it was him) IMO.
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Apologizing would be monumentally stupid from a legal standpoint
For taking someones life?? I figure it would not affect the outcome, but would help calm down the storm that is forming for his blood in Florida..
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Old 03-20-2012, 05:29 PM   #581
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I have not seen it, but has the guy apologized??
No, he has remained 100% silent , to the best of my knowledge.
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For taking someones life?? I figure it would not affect the outcome, but would help calm down the storm that is forming for his blood in Florida..
You assume he is guilty. Regardless, he needs to do what is best for him in they eyes of the court not in the eyes of some pitchfork waving mob.
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Old 03-20-2012, 05:33 PM   #584
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It is much more difficult from a LEO standpoint to assume an instigator suddenly turns victim. Compounded by the fact he was arrested for assaulting a police officer.
Again, you are making a huge assumption that the law does not make. Just because he walks up to someone to see what they are doing does not mean he is the instigator of anything necessarily, ESPECIALLY in Florida and other states with a 'stand your ground' type of law, from what I understand.

Moreover, I'm not sure a jury would even be able to hear about the assault of the police officer.....why would that be admissible?
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Again, you are making a huge assumption that the law does not make. Just because he walks up to someone to see what they are doing does not mean he is the instigator of anything necessarily, ESPECIALLY in Florida and other states with a 'stand your ground' type of law, from what I understand.

Moreover, I'm not sure a jury would even be able to hear about the assault of the police officer.....why would that be admissible?
It is only admissible during sentencing.
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