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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 03-20-2012, 06:35 PM   #586
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Last I checked, that isn't their job. The don't NEED to do that. All they have to do is establish a reasonable doubt. Not an overwhelming doubt...Not a serious doubt...merely a reasonable doubt. A doubt any reasonable person might have. Him crying for help is a major factor in that (if it was him) IMO.
And since it is Florida citizens,politicians and PD involved you are probably correct..

Hopefully a banger with a heart solves everyone's problem and this shit does not have to waste millions in court costs..
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Old 03-20-2012, 06:39 PM   #587
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And since it is Florida citizens,politicians and PD involved you are probably correct..
Um...You don't need to prove your innocence in ANY state....It is a little thing called the Bill of Rights that we all have as US Citizens.

We are all presumed to be innocent, it is up to the prosecution to prove we are guilty of something NOT the other way around...

Not sure what your beef with Florida is, but thats just how it works, in every single state of the Union.
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Old 03-20-2012, 06:44 PM   #588
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Um...You don't need to prove your innocence in ANY state....It is a little thing called the Bill of Rights that we all have as US Citizens.

We are all presumed to be innocent, it is up to the prosecution to prove we are guilty of something NOT the other way around...

Not sure what your beef with Florida is, but thats just how it works, in every single state of the Union.
Do you read Florida news in the national headlines? There is no beef with Florida, it is fact that state is full of retards.. Hence citizens, politicians and the PD there.. (the whole populace)
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Old 03-20-2012, 06:44 PM   #589
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Again, you are making a huge assumption that the law does not make. Just because he walks up to someone to see what they are doing does not mean he is the instigator of anything necessarily, ESPECIALLY in Florida and other states with a 'stand your ground' type of law, from what I understand.

Moreover, I'm not sure a jury would even be able to hear about the assault of the police officer.....why would that be admissible?
I'm sorry I'm not part of a jury. I can pass judgement based upon that. but to directly answer your question of the defense attempts to bring character into the equation the prosecution may use prior character deficiencies such as arrests for similar crimes in their attempt to discredit the defense

The authors of the law have already stated the stand your ground law was written to protect you from an attacker not to thrust yourself Into a situation. It is a defensive law not an offensive one
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Do you read Florida news in the national headlines? There is no beef with Florida, it is fact that state is full of retards.. Hence citizens, politicians and the PD there..
Wait so they are retarded because they are affording him the presumption of innocence?

You'd rather him just be declared guilty now, and not bother with a trial?

I'm not sure if I am reading you correctly or not, but from the last few things you have posted and your ignorance of the presumption of innocence, it seems that you are the retard...do you live in Florida?
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The authors of the law have already stated the stand your ground law was written to protect you from an attacker not to thrust yourself Into a situation. It is a defensive law not an offensive one
As I stated previously, it is up to the prosecution to PROVE that Zimmerman was the attacker....just because he goes up to a guy and asks him what he is doing does not mean he is the attacker.

Imagine hypothetically if he went up to Trayvon and said, hey what are you doing...and Trayvon punched him in the face.....Who is the attacker in that scenario?

Well...all the defense has to do is present a scenario where there is REASONABLE DOUBT that Zimmerman is the attacker or threw the first blow, etc....

It is already fairly common knowledge that Zimmerman's nose was bloody....from a blow to the face. Do you think Travon punched him after he pulled the gun out?

Believe me, the stand your ground law, the punch to the face, and the identity of the person calling for help in the audio are going to be HUGE.

I don't believe a Jury will assume Zimmerman is the attacker based on these things, but we will see.
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Wait so they are retarded because they are affording him the presumption of innocence?

You'd rather him just be declared guilty now, and not bother with a trial?

I'm not sure if I am reading you correctly or not, but from the last few things you have posted and your ignorance of the presumption of innocence, it seems that you are the retard...do you live in Florida?

You are correct that everyone is presumed innocent first.. Pedophiles, child murders, rapists even if they are standing over the bodies..

Lets see, you have a Florida police officer correcting witnesses on their answers..

You have a guy who used a defensive law to go on the offensive and kill a child.. But coming from California it seems why you think that is allowed. If none of the phone calls and other information had been made public, you might be correct in not judging and giving him his due process as the information they are using to judge him would have been withheld to the jury..

But you ignore Floridian's penchant for screwing the simplest things up in past news stories, that is okay, Californians do that non stop with their budgets and laws, so I see why that is oblivious to you..


edit, I do not mean all Floridians, just the majority.

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You are correct that everyone is presumed innocent first.. Pedophiles, child murders, rapists even if they are standing over the bodies..

Lets see, you have a Florida police officer correcting witnesses on their answers..

You have a guy who used a defensive law to go on the offensive and kill a child.. But coming from California it seems why you think that is allowed. If none of the phone calls and other information had been made public, you might be correct in not judging and giving him his due process as the information they are using to judge him would have been withheld to the jury..

But you ignore Floridian's penchant for screwing the simplest things up, that is okay, Californians do that non stop with their budgets and laws, so I see why that is oblivious to you..

I am from Florida, and every day I peruse this BB full of posts largely written by Missourians.

I would be careful about throwing any "retard" labels around if I were you...

BTW, how many meth labs do you have on your block?
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But you ignore Floridian's penchant for screwing the simplest things up, that is okay, .
It isn't that I am ignoring it, I am not in any position to know anything about that or how it relates to this man's right to a fair trial, and right to be presumed innocent....

I'm not really sure what your point is....are you saying he should just be declared guilty?

I mean people do screw things up, as you suggest...the problem here is that this clearly is not Murder 1. I believe he will be found guilty of something, but the question is what?

If there is a trial and he is found guilty of manslaughter and not murder by a jury of his peers, would that be 'screwing it up' in your eyes?

I'm just really not sure what you are getting at, honestly.
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Do you read Florida news in the national headlines? There is no beef with Florida, it is fact that state is full of retards.. Hence citizens, politicians and the PD there.. (the whole populace)
Hey... go **** yourself, pal.
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It isn't that I am ignoring it, I am not in any position to know anything about that or how it relates to this man's right to a fair trial, and right to be presumed innocent....

I'm not really sure what your point is....are you saying he should just be declared guilty?

I mean people do screw things up, as you suggest...the problem here is that this clearly is not Murder 1. I believe he will be found guilty of something, but the question is what?

If there is a trial and he is found guilty of manslaughter and not murder by a jury of his peers, would that be 'screwing it up' in your eyes?

I'm just really not sure what you are getting at, honestly.
I have said before, I do not think he will be criminally guilty period with Florida's law..

His only punishment will be a civil one, which means nothing but him becoming homeless or working for cash under the table..
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I am from Florida, and every day I peruse this BB full of posts largely written by Missourians.

I would be careful about throwing any "retard" labels around if I were you...

BTW, how many meth labs do you have on your block?
Okay, I amend my statement, most Floridians.. There are a few good ones..

And if there are meth houses, they are owned by the police because that is all my neighbors are..
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As I stated previously, it is up to the prosecution to PROVE that Zimmerman was the attacker....just because he goes up to a guy and asks him what he is doing does not mean he is the attacker.

Imagine hypothetically if he went up to Trayvon and said, hey what are you doing...and Trayvon punched him in the face.....Who is the attacker in that scenario?

Well...all the defense has to do is present a scenario where there is REASONABLE DOUBT that Zimmerman is the attacker or threw the first blow, etc....

It is already fairly common knowledge that Zimmerman's nose was bloody....from a blow to the face. Do you think Travon punched him after he pulled the gun out?

Believe me, the stand your ground law, the punch to the face, and the identity of the person calling for help in the audio are going to be HUGE.

I don't believe a Jury will assume Zimmerman is the attacker based on these things, but we will see.
We can go round and round on this all day. It is my belief through my experience and based upon the information we have at this time Zimmerman is more than likely guilty - if wrong so be it - this just my gut instinct based upon available info.
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Hey... go **** yourself, pal.
You gotta admit, your state and my state (Colorado) seem to host a disproportionate number of stories about bizarre people doing bizarre things. I seriously think that our states and maybe California attract a lot of people who can't cope with life, and so they head toward the states that seem like good places to start over.
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I have said before, I do not think he will be criminally guilty period with Florida's law..
Which law specific to Florida are you talking about???
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