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Old 03-08-2012, 11:50 AM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 07-14-2013, 01:38 PM   #6076
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Between that and his long track record of calling 911 primarily on black people...
So it's his fault that's who was committing the crimes there? You're a joke. Especially since you ignore his help for black youth and taking a black to his prom.
Sounds more like he's only against their criminals among them.

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Old 07-14-2013, 01:41 PM   #6077
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No, clearly this is a guy who is very racially sensitive:
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/201...ns-on-myspace/

Between that and his long track record of calling 911 primarily on black people... there's enough to question whether he used race as a means for profiling. That being said, was he wrong to call the cops? I don't see any problem with calling the cops to report suspicious behavior, regardless of race.
Mexican itself, is not a race. It's a nationality. Some of them are of white European dissent.

Furthermore, racial profiling is not illegal for citizens own personal views.
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Old 07-14-2013, 01:44 PM   #6078
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Mexican itself, is not a race. It's a nationality. Some of them are of white European dissent.
I hope you're not serious here. You're arguing what the word "is" is.

The implication is that Z seems pretty clear that if he saw a Mexican on the street, he would be much more likely to believe that person was up to no good. That's racial profiling.
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Old 07-14-2013, 01:45 PM   #6079
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The Rev. Jesse Jackson once remarked,
“There is nothing more painful for me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery — (and) then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved.”

Does that make the reverend a racial profiler?
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Old 07-14-2013, 01:47 PM   #6080
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I hope you're not serious here. You're arguing what the word "is" is.

The implication is that Z seems pretty clear that if he saw a Mexican on the street, he would be much more likely to believe that person was up to no good. That's racial profiling.
No it doesn't mean that. You're conjecturing again. It just means he may not like them.
And no that's not necessarily racial profiling because he's not a govt agency or a cop and not relying on one element about them to stop and/or arrest them.
You need to look up the word to see what racial profiling entails.

You'd say this about most Americans, or even people in the world, using your ridiculous standards—not to mention relying on the NY Times.
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Old 07-14-2013, 01:49 PM   #6081
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chiefzilla is a race hustler.
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Old 07-14-2013, 01:55 PM   #6082
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Perhaps, but I asked if we KNEW that Zimmerman profiled Martin because of the color of his skin. It appears that we don't for sure.
Of course we don't know for sure. I am sure as BEP stated his age and gender also played a role. So basically any young black male would draw his suspicion since they were the ones in previous incidents around that community.
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Old 07-14-2013, 01:58 PM   #6084
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Of course we don't know for sure. I am sure as BEP stated his age and gender also played a role. So basically any young black male would draw his suspicion since they were the ones in previous incidents around that community.
And, from what I have looked up today, that would not constitute racial profiling as other factors, including behavior, age and gender were used too.
Race is allowed to be used, but not as the sole factor.
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It is just common sense IMO. Do you think if a white kid was walking back he would have called the cops and pursued?
I actually do. Not if it was a white kid wearing a tuxedo and sporting a top hat... but a white kid in a hoodie, sure. I agree it was profiling I just have NO clue if race factored in for Zimmerman.
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Mark O'Mara: "If Zimmerman Was Black, He Never Would Have Been Charged"
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Mark O'Mara: "If Zimmerman Was Black, He Never Would Have Been Charged"
He would have been for trespassing in a neighborhood where he didn't belong. /ThatDouche
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You'd say this about most Americans, or even people in the world, using your ridiculous standards—not to mention relying on the NY Times.
Mind Boggling Lies of the New York Times

More evidence of their race hustling stories. Chiefzilla's source on Zimmerman.
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Old 07-14-2013, 02:37 PM   #6089
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What did Zimmerman say to the Sanford police on what he observed:
"Hey we've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy, uh, it's Retreat View Circle, um, the best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something.

It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about.This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about" and "looking at all the houses."
"This guy" huh? How racist of Zimmerman that night.
Plus, he's first reported him for his behavior.

Doesn't identify "this guy" as black until the dispatcher asks:

Dispatcher Sanford Police Department: OK, and this guy is he white, black, or hispanic? [ Does this make the dispatcher a racist? Looks like it is asked soley as a way to identify him when the police arrive.]

Zimmerman: He looks black. [ Looks? Zimmerman sounds unsure even. We know it was very dark. It's later that Z confirms this person as black.]

Then–

Dispatcher: How old would you say he looks?

Zimmerman: He's got button on his shirt, late teens. [ Pretty good assessing the age.]

Dispatcher: Late teens. Ok.

Zimmerman: Something's wrong with him. Yup, he's coming to check me out, he's got something in his hands, I don't know what his deal is.
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Old 07-14-2013, 02:42 PM   #6090
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Mark O'Mara: "If Zimmerman Was Black, He Never Would Have Been Charged"
Of course not. The media wouldn't have found it news worthy and Al Sharpton would've stayed home.
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