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Old 03-08-2012, 11:50 AM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 03-20-2012, 06:14 PM   #601
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It is my belief through my experience and based upon the information we have at this time Zimmerman is more than likely guilty - if wrong so be it - this just my gut instinct based upon available info.
Guilty of what crime(s)? Your experience and gut feeling should have zero to do with it, it should be based on the evidence...But anyhow...what do you think he is guilty of?
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Old 03-20-2012, 06:17 PM   #602
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Guilty of what crime(s)? Your experience and gut feeling should have zero to do with it, it should be based on the evidence...But anyhow...what do you think he is guilty of?
JFC, the guy is giving his opinion. He isn't trying the case in his ****ing computer room.
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Old 03-20-2012, 06:17 PM   #603
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Which law specific to Florida are you talking about???
For those in the know. Does Florida have an open carry law? Which to me begs does he have a ccw?
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Old 03-20-2012, 06:18 PM   #604
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Do you read Florida news in the national headlines? There is no beef with Florida, it is fact that state is full of retards.. Hence citizens, politicians and the PD there.. (the whole populace)
I would take offense to that good sir, but your avatar is cool. But yes the state is full of morons.
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Old 03-20-2012, 06:19 PM   #605
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JFC, the guy is giving his opinion. He isn't trying the case in his ****ing computer room.
Hey Retard,

I am asking him to clarify his opinion...He could be guilty of anything ranging from discharge of a firearm up to murder 1 with special circumstances.

I was asking specifically what crime does he think he is guilty of.

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Old 03-20-2012, 06:20 PM   #606
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As I stated previously, it is up to the prosecution to PROVE that Zimmerman was the attacker....just because he goes up to a guy and asks him what he is doing does not mean he is the attacker.

Imagine hypothetically if he went up to Trayvon and said, hey what are you doing...and Trayvon punched him in the face.....Who is the attacker in that scenario?

Well...all the defense has to do is present a scenario where there is REASONABLE DOUBT that Zimmerman is the attacker or threw the first blow, etc....

It is already fairly common knowledge that Zimmerman's nose was bloody....from a blow to the face. Do you think Travon punched him after he pulled the gun out?

Believe me, the stand your ground law, the punch to the face, and the identity of the person calling for help in the audio are going to be HUGE.

I don't believe a Jury will assume Zimmerman is the attacker based on these things, but we will see.
JMHO but I think if he does get charged it is going to be tough to convince a jury a 13 year old boy was any kind of aggressor against the man. Especially when you throw in the girlfriends account.
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For those in the know.
Oh I see...so does that exclude you?

Because the way I read it, Florida has laws that could actually HURT Zimmerman also....FOr example, in Florida they do not have lesser manslaughter, they only have one type of manslaughter, 15 years max sentence...Whereas other states have two brackets of manslaughter...where you can get much less time..
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JFC, the guy is giving his opinion. He isn't trying the case in his ****ing computer room.
Thank you. Someone gets it lol
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Old 03-20-2012, 06:24 PM   #609
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JMHO but I think if he does get charged it is going to be tough to convince a jury a 13 year old boy was any kind of aggressor against the man. Especially when you throw in the girlfriends account.
I don't think the girlfriend's account(of who started the agression) will be admissible in court, she didn't see anything and she didn't hear anything. All she will be able to testify to is what she said and heard...and it sounded like his phone went dead before any physical struggle started.

It might be difficult to explain how Zimmerman got punched in the face, and his nose bloodied...and finally (this is a HUGE if) if it was Zimmerman calling for help, that would seem to be enough reasonable doubt to me.

The thing that people do not understand is that the defense does not need to PROVE that Trayvon was the aggressor (although it would be helpful to them), all they need to do is cast a REASONABLE doubt that zimmerman was the aggressor.
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Which law specific to Florida are you talking about???
The stand your ground law.. It is not specific in this particular instance and will have to be decided upon by the judges. I have a feeling it will be granted during this case and amended later on. Imo.
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Oh I see...so does that exclude you?

Because the way I read it, Florida has laws that could actually HURT Zimmerman also....FOr example, in Florida they do not have lesser manslaughter, they only have one type of manslaughter, 15 years max sentence...Whereas other states have two brackets of manslaughter...where you can get much less time..
You are really confused. And confusing. You are trying to battle too many fronts. I'd say either murder 2 or manslaughter based upon my limited knowledge of Florida law. I have been well read in the self defense law though and do feel he most likely doesn't meet the statutory requirements for it to have been self defense. Again based upon the information available to the public at this time.
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I don't think the girlfriend's account(of who started the agression) will be admissible in court, she didn't see anything and she didn't hear anything. All she will be able to testify to is what she said and heard...and it sounded like his phone went dead before any physical struggle started.

It might be difficult to explain how Zimmerman got punched in the face, and his nose bloodied...and finally (this is a HUGE if) if it was Zimmerman calling for help, that would seem to be enough reasonable doubt to me.

The thing that people do not understand is that the defense does not need to PROVE that Trayvon was the aggressor (although it would be helpful to them), all they need to do is cast a REASONABLE doubt that zimmerman was the aggressor.
I agree on that, the only thing they will be able to take away is that some strange man is chasing after him and her telling him to run..
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You gotta admit, your state and my state (Colorado) seem to host a disproportionate number of stories about bizarre people doing bizarre things. I seriously think that our states and maybe California attract a lot of people who can't cope with life, and so they head toward the states that seem like good places to start over.
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