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Old 03-08-2012, 11:50 AM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 07-22-2013, 03:40 PM   #6631
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Old 07-22-2013, 03:50 PM   #6632
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Unfortunately the only evidence of racial profiling in the incident points to TM.
Zilla does not post based on how racial profiling is defined...and who it applies to, which is law enforcement. It's defined as using race alone to stop someone etc. It's okay to use in order to identify someone as part of a description or in conjunction with other things.

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Old 07-22-2013, 03:57 PM   #6633
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Chiefzilla and Aries....... stop making statements about things you don't know about. I don't fear anyone because of their skin color and I don't walk outside my home expecting to be looked at with contempt or even fearing it nor worrying about it. This event is one of many and it doesn't affect me one iota. I'm black btw.
There are plenty of black people who disagree with you. Good on you for being able to ignore it but there are plenty that can't or won't, which is obvious given how much attention this has gotten. I am offering this as one of the explanations I have heard and you obviously have a different one. I am not saying either is wrong or right.
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Old 07-22-2013, 04:03 PM   #6634
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There are plenty of black people who disagree with you. Good on you for being able to ignore it but there are plenty that can't or won't, which is obvious given how much attention this has gotten. I am offering this as one of the explanations I have heard and you obviously have a different one. I am not saying either is wrong or right.
Those poor, poor black people.
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Old 07-22-2013, 04:06 PM   #6635
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Zilla does not post based on how racial profiling is defined...and who it applies to, which is law enforcement. It's defined as using race alone to stop someone etc. It's okay to use in order to identify someone as part of a description or in conjunction with other things.

Modern liberals are just dumb.
The question isn't whether Zimmerman was using race as a descriptor. The black community is asking what was suspicious about a teenage kid walking in a gated community that warranted calling the cops.

I interpret that as Zimmerman being an obsessive vigilante, and that he obsessed over calling people in regardless of race. The black community apparently questions whether it was profiling, and they're not looking at this case as an isolated one. They apparently think it's a big problem and that this is one of many situations where this happens.

Again, that is my opinion vs. what the black community believes.
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Old 07-22-2013, 04:09 PM   #6636
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The question isn't whether Zimmerman was using race as a descriptor. The black community is asking what was suspicious about a teenage kid walking in a gated community that warranted calling the cops.

I interpret that as Zimmerman being an obsessive vigilante, and that he obsessed over calling people in regardless of race. The black community apparently questions whether it was profiling, and they're not looking at this case as an isolated one. They apparently think it's a big problem and that this is one of many situations where this happens.

Again, that is my opinion vs. what the black community believes.

When do you think your harping about this is going to stop?
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Old 07-22-2013, 04:10 PM   #6637
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Like I said, many white people have been victims of crimes by African Americans or falsely accused of racism in some fashion, so I suppose we should be sympathetic to white people who say they're afraid of being around black people. But we're not, we generally call those people racist or bigoted or closed minded. I don't know that the, "Well, I'm distrustful of white people," is all that different. And while you don't hear it phrased as explicitly as that I think that's what a lot of the dialogue is implicitly saying.
Now if you're talking about being distrustful of law enforcement I can see that a little more. I think white people do generally get a more fair shake and a benefit of the doubt in many situations.
I am not saying anyone is to blame if they tend to profile and you're absolutely right that in many cases, it's justified. Just as muslims are more likely to get screened at an airport. It's human nature.

But if that happens every day in your life for years and/or if you know people who have been accused for doing nothing wrong, there's some people who might become sensitive about it.
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Old 07-22-2013, 04:13 PM   #6638
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I am not saying anyone is to blame if they tend to profile and you're absolutely right that in many cases, it's justified. Just as muslims are more likely to get screened at an airport. It's human nature.

But if that happens every day in your life for years and/or if you know people who have been accused for doing nothing wrong, there's some people who might become sensitive about it.
Don't like it? Then change your behavior. And pull your goddamn pants up and wear a belt.
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Old 07-22-2013, 04:19 PM   #6639
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When do you think your harping about this is going to stop?
He's obsessive compulsive about it.
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The question isn't whether Zimmerman was using race as a descriptor. The black community is asking what was suspicious about a teenage kid walking in a gated community that warranted calling the cops.
You still don't get it despite this being answered a thousand times. You are merely repeating the major media's account ad nauseam which has been to omit other data to spin the story. You still can't accept that GZ's development was 20% black which means he was serving them too. Nor can you accept one of his own black neighbor's defending what the did because he was not just doing it because Trayvon was black and only because he was black ( the very definition of profiling )....and that she also said it was to protect all of them.

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I interpret that as Zimmerman being an obsessive vigilante, and that he obsessed over calling people in regardless of race. The black community apparently questions whether it was profiling, and they're not looking at this case as an isolated one. They apparently think it's a big problem and that this is one of many situations where this happens.

Again, that is my opinion vs. what the black community believes.
FBI didn't find him to be a vigilante but merely had a little hero complex. BFD! No one is perfect. "Vigilante" is also a word taken from our media designed to stir up emotions and is an embellishment. You are nothing but a manipulated knee-jerk acceptor of whatever the media claims. This is what they've done to many in the black community too. Enjoy being programmed.
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Old 07-22-2013, 05:07 PM   #6641
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You still don't get it despite this being answered a thousand times. You are merely repeating the major media's account ad nauseam which has been to omit other data to spin the story. You still can't accept that GZ's development was 20% black which means he was serving them too. Nor can you accept one of his own black neighbor's defending what the did because he was not just doing it because Trayvon was black and only because he was black ( the very definition of profiling )....and that she also said it was to protect all of them.
What do you mean "I still don't get it?" I said Z probably profiled Trayvon because he was obsessive about patrolling the neighborhood, not because he's racist. Black people interpret it as he profiled Trayvon because he was black and therefore looked more suspicious. In either event, based on what we know, Trayvon was profiled because there is little to suggest he was doing anything suspicious. It's up to you to question if race played a part -- I don't think it did, but apparently some people do.

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FBI didn't find him to be a vigilante but merely had a little hero complex. BFD! No one is perfect. "Vigilante" is also a word taken from our media designed to stir up emotions and is an embellishment. You are nothing but a manipulated knee-jerk acceptor of whatever the media claims. This is what they've done to many in the black community too. Enjoy being programmed.
I'm not sure what you're arguing about. I'm claiming that Z profiled Trayvon because he badly wanted to be the guy who caught the neighborhood "criminal." Not because of race.
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Old 07-22-2013, 05:22 PM   #6642
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Old 07-22-2013, 05:27 PM   #6643
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You seem to believe that the way people think about these things and their ability to understand them is determined by their skin color.

And the whole thing about "cultural wounds" sounds like excuse making. It's not OK for people to be racist just because they grew up around a bunch of racists and it's not OK for people to cling to the injuries and resentments of their ancestors as if they were their own either.
Fair enough, but I'm not saying that their views are determined by their skin color, I'm saying their views are determined by how the world has treated them because of their skin color. People know what they have experienced, and listening to the dialogue (at work, on Facebook, on TV or radio or in the 'newspapers') is reinforcing to me how vastly different peoples' reactions can be because of how vastly different their experiences have been - such as when applying for a job, getting stopped by the police, or even just walking down the street, as already posted. I can read or hear about why so many black people are so distraught by this case, but having not walked in their shoes, there's only so far I can really understand it.
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