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Old 03-08-2012, 11:50 AM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 03-21-2012, 12:01 AM   #661
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I am seeing this everywhere, every time I learn more about it it makes me sicker.

**** this guy.
Crap makes me sick to my stomach. He should be strung up by the balls.
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Old 03-21-2012, 12:03 AM   #662
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I guess I was just asking a rhetorical question...

How long of following someone gives them the right to punch you in the face?

3 minutes? 5 minutes?
however long it took to ignite enough fear to do that. He must have been scared if he felt he needed to punch him.
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Old 03-21-2012, 12:16 AM   #663
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however long it took to ignite enough fear to do that. He must have been scared if he felt he needed to punch him.
If you throw a punch, you have to be ready for a host of consequences. I have no idea who threw what punch but I can tell you that the outcome (just like this case) can be unexpected.

I'm not certain that him 'being afraid' is enough of a reason to throw a punch. If Zimmerman tried to grab him, then I would say a punch would be legal. But simply following him for a while and them asking him what he is doing? I'm not sure sure you can legally punch someone for that.
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Old 03-21-2012, 12:55 AM   #664
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If you throw a punch, you have to be ready for a host of consequences.
Zimmerman forced the consequences...some fat dirtbag looking mfer, with O credentials is stalking you, in an unmarked car for no known reason... jumps out talking obvious bullshit & you're not going to turn & get testy real quick?

I hope you're playing devils advocate here.
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Old 03-21-2012, 12:59 AM   #665
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Zimmerman forced the consequences...some fat dirtbag looking mfer, with O credentials is stalking you, in an unmarked car for no known reason... jumps out talking obvious bullshit & you're not going to turn & get testy real quick?

I hope you're playing devils advocate here.
I am playing devil's advocate, but no one has answered the rather simple question....At what point can you punch someone in the face? 'Talking obvious bullshit' was actually Zimmerman asking 'What are you doing in this neighborhood?' If someone asks you that question, does that give you the right to punch them in the face? I am just curious as to your thoughts.

"Getting Testy" And throwing a punch are totally different things, by the way.
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police records, which show that 50 suspicious-person reports were called in to police in the past year at (The Complex where Trayvon & Zimmerman live). There were eight burglaries, nine thefts and one other shooting in the year prior to Trayvon’s death.

In all, police had been called to the 260-unit complex 402 times from Jan. 1, 2011 to Feb. 26, 2012.

“He once caught a thief and an arrest was made,” said Cynthia Wibker, secretary of the homeowners association. “He helped solve a lot of crimes.”

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/1...#storylink=cpy
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I am playing devil's advocate, but no one has answered the rather simple question....At what point can you punch someone in the face?
You can punch someone in the face any time you want. Then the victim calls the police and you get charged with assault.

You don't get to go around shooting anyone that punches you.
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You can punch someone in the face any time you want. Then the victim calls the police and you get charged with assault.

You don't get to go around shooting anyone that punches you.
Yep, just like punching a guy in the face, you can go rob a bank. Doesn't mean you can get away with it & not go to jail.
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Anyone hear the part off the 911 tape where Zimmerman says what sounds like "****ing coons"?

He kind of says it aside from the 911 conversation. The "****ing" part is clear, and is followed by what sounds like "coons".

If you can find the clip without the f-word being bleeped out, it might be clearer.

This is not gonna help this guy.
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You can punch someone in the face any time you want. Then the victim calls the police and you get charged with assault.

You don't get to go around shooting anyone that punches you.
Sure you can..if someone punches you in the face, you have the right (in some states) to respond with force. You also have he right in every state to defend yourself.

If you punch someone in the face they might pull a knife and stab you..

If you are the one who threw the 1st punch it will be you who gets the blame...as long as it is 'reasonable' that the other person acted in defense of self.
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Zimmerman forced the consequences...some fat dirtbag looking mfer, with O credentials is stalking you, in an unmarked car for no known reason... jumps out talking obvious bullshit & you're not going to turn & get testy real quick?

I hope you're playing devils advocate here.
You go right ahead, turn and get testy. See what happens.
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Anyone hear the part off the 911 tape where Zimmerman says what sounds like "****ing coons"?

He kind of says it aside from the 911 conversation. The "****ing" part is clear, and is followed by what sounds like "coons".

If you can find the clip without the f-word being bleeped out, it might be clearer.

This is not gonna help this guy.
I have seen transcripts that claim he says the word coon or coons, but I can't hear it on the tape...

Perhaps you could provide a link and a minute/second?
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I am playing devil's advocate, but no one has answered the rather simple question....At what point can you punch someone in the face? 'Talking obvious bullshit' was actually Zimmerman asking 'What are you doing in this neighborhood?' If someone asks you that question, does that give you the right to punch them in the face? I am just curious as to your thoughts.

"Getting Testy" And throwing a punch are totally different things, by the way.
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He's asking a fair question. Zimmerman was harrassing him, but he hadn't done anything threatening to that point. If you're walking around in a neighborhood you don't live in, and someone asks you what you're doing, you can tell him to **** off. You don't get to punch him in the face, though.

Zimmerman went looking for a fight. This kid escalated the situation by punching him in the face. Zimmerman had a gun. Kid got shot. Zimmerman might go to prison, but it's not as cut and dried as some people would like to make it out to be.

From what I've seen, the kid broke the first law. I'm not certain whether Zimmerman ever broke a law. It's not illegal to follow someone in public. Its not illegal to ask someone where he's going. Its not illegal to shoot someone who punches you in the face in order to stop the beating.

I feel horribly sorry for the kid and his family. He was put into a bad situation. I don't feel sorry for Zimmerman. He put himself in a bad situation. I don't know that he broke the law while doing it, though. He might have, but I haven't seen anything that makes it clear beyond a reasonable doubt, yet. I would feel better if something more were to come out, as I would like to see him serve time. Don't know if that's happening, though.
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