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Old 03-08-2012, 12:50 PM  
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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 07-28-2013, 11:17 AM   #6766
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If someone is following me my first instinct would be to get away. But I don't go around getting in fights. I will however defend myself or family if need be.

The bottom line in this whole thing is both made bad decisions that ended one life and ruined the other.

The media and the race baiters have made the whole episode a racial one where racial animosity played no part.

Why you keep picking at the scab of all this is beyond me.
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Old 07-28-2013, 01:31 PM   #6767
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Who in the world said that GZ was following right behind him? Zimmerman was looking for him. That is basically "following" him.

No it isn't the same thing the way you and the media put it. You come across using the definition of following as : 1. To come or go after; proceed behind as in —Follow the usher to your seat. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/follow

Also v intr 2. To occur or be evident as a consequence; result—which is how it's been used by the media to justify TM's felony battery.

Looking after does not necessarily involve following as per the above, but more like keeping an eye on. The difference is critical here, because one is more intense than the other as it implies something more sinister in the GZ/TM situation. To watch or observe closely, pay attention or heed to, or keep oneself informed of the progress of something is completely legitimate behavior for a neighborhood watch when there's been break-ins and TM appeared to not be from the development.
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Old 07-28-2013, 04:07 PM   #6768
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No it isn't the same thing the way you and the media put it. You come across using the definition of following as : 1. To come or go after; proceed behind as in —Follow the usher to your seat. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/follow

Also v intr 2. To occur or be evident as a consequence; result—which is how it's been used by the media to justify TM's felony battery.

Looking after does not necessarily involve following as per the above, but more like keeping an eye on. The difference is critical here, because one is more intense than the other as it implies something more sinister in the GZ/TM situation. To watch or observe closely, pay attention or heed to, or keep oneself informed of the progress of something is completely legitimate behavior for a neighborhood watch when there's been break-ins and TM appeared to not be from the development.
I don't care what the media says. They haven't been objective throughout any of this and still refuse to blame Trayvon whatsoever.

I am talking about "following" from a standpoint of going beyond an observe and report. Keeping pace with Trayvon and searching for him is "following." He followed him in his car and when Trayvon ran off, the question is why he got out of the car. Was it truly to look for a street sign, or was he trying to find him? In my opinion it was the latter. No, I don't believe he wanted to fight Trayvon. I think it's very reasonable to believe he at least wanted the assurance that he was found so he didn't break in to any houses.
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Old 07-28-2013, 05:48 PM   #6769
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I don't care what the media says. They haven't been objective throughout any of this and still refuse to blame Trayvon whatsoever.
Ahem, you were using the same narrative, at least at one point. I believe "stalking" was the word and "vigilante." I know you used "vigilante" but I'd have to plow through this humongous thread for "stalking" and I believe you also used that. Either way just what do you think "vigilante" conjures up in people's minds? It conjures up the image of going after someone for summary justice.

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I am talking about "following" from a standpoint of going beyond an observe and report. Keeping pace with Trayvon and searching for him is "following." He followed him in his car and when Trayvon ran off, the question is why he got out of the car. Was it truly to look for a street sign, or was he trying to find him? In my opinion it was the latter. No, I don't believe he wanted to fight Trayvon. I think it's very reasonable to believe he at least wanted the assurance that he was found so he didn't break in to any houses.
Nope sorry. See my above sentences in this post. You weren't saying this earlier.
As to trying to find him? Conjecture. I think he at least wanted to see where he was going as he said. You just don't want to believe him. I do, because as I earlier discussed with you ad nauseam, nearly all the other evidence corroborates his version of events where we have such corroboration. Please, don't put me through it all again.
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Old 07-28-2013, 07:23 PM   #6770
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Ahem, you were using the same narrative, at least at one point. I believe "stalking" was the word and "vigilante." I know you used "vigilante" but I'd have to plow through this humongous thread for "stalking" and I believe you also used that. Either way just what do you think "vigilante" conjures up in people's minds? It conjures up the image of going after someone for summary justice.

As to trying to find him? Conjecture. I think he at least wanted to see where he was going as he said. You just don't want to believe him. I do, because as I earlier discussed with you ad nauseam, nearly all the other evidence corroborates his version of events where we have such corroboration. Please, don't put me through it all again.
You don't have to dig through the thread. You're right. I don't think it's inaccurate to say he was stalking or a vigilante, but the words might be too strong and you're right, might imply a more malicious intent. Fair enough.

And you keep saying the evidence corroborates his recap of the events. BS. Nobody knows what happened in the 3 minutes between hanging up with 911 and getting into a scuffle with Trayvon. What we know is Trayvon had to have doubled back, and Zimmerman found himself in the middle the neighborhood's courtyard far away from his car. The only "evidence" to corroborate that part of the story is Zimmerman's explanation of events, which is hardly credible given that he was defending his life in court.
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Old 07-28-2013, 07:28 PM   #6771
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And you keep saying the evidence corroborates his recap of the events. BS. Nobody knows what happened in the 3 minutes between hanging up with 911 and getting into a scuffle with Trayvon. What we know is Trayvon had to have doubled back, and Zimmerman found himself in the middle the neighborhood's courtyard far away from his car. The only "evidence" to corroborate that part of the story is Zimmerman's explanation of events, which is hardly credible given that he was defending his life in court.
Rinse and repeat, your whole game. You're like a friggin broken record. We already discussed and we didn't agree. My disagreement being that if most of story of GZ was corroborated(which it was), that he was overjoyed when he thought it was caught on video, never changed his story, then chances are the rest is credible. Now that more information about Trayvon liking to get in fist fights has come out, it's even more credible. Like I said, you choose not to believe him.
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Old 07-28-2013, 07:38 PM   #6772
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Rinse and repeat, your whole game. You're like a broken record. Ee already discussed and we didn't agree. My disagreement being that if most of story of GZ was corroborated, that he was overjoyed when he thought it was caught on film, never changed his story, then chances are the rest is credible. Now that more information about Trayvon liking to get in fist fights has come out, it's even more credible. Like I said, you choose not to believe him.
C'mon, you're basing the accuracy of his testimony on how excited he was to hear his testimony had been filmed? Need I remind you that this is a guy who took a sworn oath and coolly lied to the judge about his finances to get a more favorable bail?

No, I don't believe him. I've already explained the reasons why. If you believe Zimmerman, the only time he got out of his car is when the 911 dispatcher told him to look for a street sign. And that doesn't jive with the 911 transcript, nor does it help explain why he ended up in the middle of the courtyard.

And Trayvon getting into fist fights doesn't explain Zimmerman getting out of the car. We've already established that TM likely started the fight and was wrong to do that.
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Old 07-28-2013, 07:42 PM   #6773
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Old 07-28-2013, 07:48 PM   #6774
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C'mon, you're basing the accuracy of his testimony on how excited he was to hear his testimony had been filmed? Need I remind you that this is a guy who took a sworn oath and coolly lied to the judge about his finances to get a more favorable bail?

No, I don't believe him. I've already explained the reasons why. If you believe Zimmerman, the only time he got out of his car is when the 911 dispatcher told him to look for a street sign. And that doesn't jive with the 911 transcript, nor does it help explain why he ended up in the middle of the courtyard.

And Trayvon getting into fist fights doesn't explain Zimmerman getting out of the car. We've already established that TM likely started the fight and was wrong to do that.
Look, we already discussed this ad nauseam. You are beating a dead horse. Now just shut up!
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Look, we already discussed this ad nauseam. You are beating a dead horse. Now just shut up!
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C'mon, you're basing the accuracy of his testimony on how excited he was to hear his testimony had been filmed? Need I remind you that this is a guy who took a sworn oath and coolly lied to the judge about his finances to get a more favorable bail?

No, I don't believe him. I've already explained the reasons why. If you believe Zimmerman, the only time he got out of his car is when the 911 dispatcher told him to look for a street sign. And that doesn't jive with the 911 transcript, nor does it help explain why he ended up in the middle of the courtyard.

And Trayvon getting into fist fights doesn't explain Zimmerman getting out of the car. We've already established that TM likely started the fight and was wrong to do that.
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