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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

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Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 03-21-2012, 01:21 PM   #676
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Zimmerman needs a bullet planted in his head, period.

And come on, Saul. Getting cracked in the face after YOU escalated the conflict does not equal you having the right to shoot someone to death. Unless he can prove the kid had a knife to his throat screaming how he was going to kill him, it just equals Zimmerman being a murderer, plain and simple.
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Old 03-21-2012, 01:22 PM   #677
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He's asking a fair question. Zimmerman was harrassing him, but he hadn't done anything threatening to that point. If you're walking around in a neighborhood you don't live in, and someone asks you what you're doing, you can tell him to **** off. You don't get to punch him in the face, though.

Zimmerman went looking for a fight. This kid escalated the situation by punching him in the face. Zimmerman had a gun. Kid got shot. Zimmerman might go to prison, but it's not as cut and dried as some people would like to make it out to be.

From what I've seen, the kid broke the first law. I'm not certain whether Zimmerman ever broke a law. It's not illegal to follow someone in public. Its not illegal to ask someone where he's going. Its not illegal to shoot someone who punches you in the face in order to stop the beating.

I feel horribly sorry for the kid and his family. He was put into a bad situation. I don't feel sorry for Zimmerman. He put himself in a bad situation. I don't know that he broke the law while doing it, though. He might have, but I haven't seen anything that makes it clear beyond a reasonable doubt, yet. I would feel better if something more were to come out, as I would like to see him serve time. Don't know if that's happening, though.
'stop the beating'?

jesus facepalming christ...

it is real cut and dried, a guy with a gun shot a kid whose only crime was existing....

what a bunch of ****ing nonsense
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Old 03-21-2012, 01:24 PM   #678
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He's asking a fair question. Zimmerman was harrassing him, but he hadn't done anything threatening to that point. If you're walking around in a neighborhood you don't live in, and someone asks you what you're doing, you can tell him to **** off. You don't get to punch him in the face, though.

Zimmerman went looking for a fight. This kid escalated the situation by punching him in the face. Zimmerman had a gun. Kid got shot. Zimmerman might go to prison, but it's not as cut and dried as some people would like to make it out to be.

From what I've seen, the kid broke the first law. I'm not certain whether Zimmerman ever broke a law. It's not illegal to follow someone in public. Its not illegal to ask someone where he's going. Its not illegal to shoot someone who punches you in the face in order to stop the beating.

I feel horribly sorry for the kid and his family. He was put into a bad situation. I don't feel sorry for Zimmerman. He put himself in a bad situation. I don't know that he broke the law while doing it, though. He might have, but I haven't seen anything that makes it clear beyond a reasonable doubt, yet. I would feel better if something more were to come out, as I would like to see him serve time. Don't know if that's happening, though.
Not bad, thatís about where Iím at.
One thing I canít get past though, you donít get to initiate a confrontation then use deadly force to end the confrontation even if you are a legal CCW permit holder. Thatís just not self-defense, but Iím not a lawyer either so I donít know what that translates to for charges.
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Old 03-21-2012, 01:27 PM   #679
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Zimmerman needs a bullet planted in his head, period.

And come on, Saul. Getting cracked in the face after YOU escalated the conflict does not equal you having the right to shoot someone to death. Unless he can prove the kid had a knife to his throat screaming how he was going to kill him, it just equals Zimmerman being a murderer, plain and simple.
Escalating a conflict verbally does not give someone the right to punch me in the face. Getting punched in the face may, depending on the circumstance, give me the right to shoot someone in self defense.

Don't get me wrong, Zimmerman is a POS, and I wish bad things upon him. I don't know that he crossed the line from stupidity to felony, though.
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Zimmerman needs a bullet planted in his head, period.

And come on, Saul. Getting cracked in the face after YOU escalated the conflict does not equal you having the right to shoot someone to death. Unless he can prove the kid had a knife to his throat screaming how he was going to kill him, it just equals Zimmerman being a murderer, plain and simple.
You are letting emotion interfere with facts. And you are wrong about needing to prove someone has a weapon in order to justify using lethal force.
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Old 03-21-2012, 01:30 PM   #681
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'stop the beating'?

jesus facepalming christ...

it is real cut and dried, a guy with a gun shot a kid whose only crime was existing....

what a bunch of ****ing nonsense
His only crime was punching a guy in the face for asking him what he was doing. You don't get to punch people in the face for asking you a question.
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Old 03-21-2012, 01:31 PM   #682
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a man with a gun harasses and then shoots a child

that's what happened

the child did not harass or instigate contact with the man with the gun

the child was walking down the street...that's it

and there is no 'right' to ask someone where they are going...jesus people, unless you are an officer of the law or owner of private property and the person is on your property

you have a right to speak, no one has to listen or respond, and if you persist you are harassing

this guy was pretending to be a cop, and killed an innocent child...but it's ok in Florida because the child was black and the NRA loves guns
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Not bad, thatís about where Iím at.
One thing I canít get past though, you donít get to initiate a confrontation then use deadly force to end the confrontation even if you are a legal CCW permit holder. Thatís just not self-defense, but Iím not a lawyer either so I donít know what that translates to for charges.
If you see someone walking through your neighborhood and ask him where he's going and he responds by punching you in the face, you don't lose your right to defend yourself because you asked him a question.
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If you see someone walking through your neighborhood and ask him where he's going and he responds by punching you in the face, you don't lose your right to defend yourself because you asked him a question.
How do you know the kid punched Zimmerman in the face?
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His only crime was punching a guy in the face for asking him what he was doing. You don't get to punch people in the face for asking you a question.
A kid being followed by a stranger, in the dark. Stranger approaches kid, possibly grabs him. Doesn't seem unnatural for the kid to be scared and react the way he did.

It wasn't just "asking a question". There's a lot leading up to it. For all we know, that kid thought he was about to be abducted.

Al could have been avoided if Joe Posse hadn't ignored what the police told him and chosen to engage the kid.
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How do you know the kid punched Zimmerman in the face?
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What are you getting at here?
Apparently that you hate black people if you own a gun and live in Florida. Or just own a gun.
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A kid being followed by a stranger, in the dark. Stranger approaches kid, possibly grabs him. Doesn't seem unnatural for the kid to be scared and react the way he did.

It wasn't just "asking a question". There's a lot leading up to it. For all we know, that kid thought he was about to be abducted.

Al could have been avoided if Joe Posse hadn't ignored what the police told him and chosen to engage the kid.
Agreed.
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If you throw a punch, you have to be ready for a host of consequences. I have no idea who threw what punch but I can tell you that the outcome (just like this case) can be unexpected.

I'm not certain that him 'being afraid' is enough of a reason to throw a punch. If Zimmerman tried to grab him, then I would say a punch would be legal. But simply following him for a while and them asking him what he is doing? I'm not sure sure you can legally punch someone for that.
adrenaline, ever heard of it? It's our natural reaction to either fight or flee when scared.

I'm with everybody else here and Zimmerman needs to rot in prison.
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