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Old 03-08-2012, 11:50 AM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 03-21-2012, 02:07 PM   #721
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I don't know it didn't happen. I haven't seen anyone claim that it happened, though. I haven't seen anything in the transcripts indicating that it happened. Therefore, to assume that it happened, would be making things up. I'm not going to do that. If evidence surfaces that the kid punched him in response to a threat or physical contact from Zimmerman, then that changes things.
On the 911 tape Zimmerman tells the dispatcher that the kid is running away. He was trying to get away from Zimmerman and he still followed him. Doesn't really help his case at all right there. Plus when you hear the other tape of the calls out for help followed by the shot it gets a little clearer what happened. Unless you have some devil's advocate fetish like you and polesmoker do.
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Old 03-21-2012, 02:07 PM   #722
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And yes, there most certainly is a right to ask someone where he is going. There is not a right to punch someone in the face who has neither touched nor threatened you.

Ha ha ha.....you can ask me where I'm going, but if I'm not on your property I don't have to tell you shit.
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Old 03-21-2012, 02:13 PM   #723
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It gets that much easier when the only person that can dispute your story is dead.

But honestly, IMO it doesn't matter.

"I walked up to a person, they punched me, so I shot them"

How can anyone think this is justifiable?
He's claiming that the kid was on top of him beating his ass. The audio and Zimmerman's reported injuries seem consistent with that. Doesn't mean that's what happened, but I can't just assume that he's lying when there is no evidence to the contrary if I'm a juror.
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Old 03-21-2012, 02:14 PM   #724
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Ha ha ha.....you can ask me where I'm going, but if I'm not on your property I don't have to tell you shit.
Exactly right, but the question can still be asked and just because it was asked doesn’t give you the right to punch someone.
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Old 03-21-2012, 02:14 PM   #725
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hey man! it's an astute observation.
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Old 03-21-2012, 02:16 PM   #726
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Ha ha ha.....you can ask me where I'm going, but if I'm not on your property I don't have to tell you shit.
Of course you don't. You don't get to beat my ass, though.
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Old 03-21-2012, 02:20 PM   #727
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On the 911 tape Zimmerman tells the dispatcher that the kid is running away. He was trying to get away from Zimmerman and he still followed him. Doesn't really help his case at all right there. Plus when you hear the other tape of the calls out for help followed by the shot it gets a little clearer what happened. Unless you have some devil's advocate fetish like you and polesmoker do.
Its not about playing devil's advocate. It's about figuring out what a jury is going to decide. I doubt the court just strings him up without a trial. In fact, I'd be willing to bet they even let the guy have a defense attorney.
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Old 03-21-2012, 02:21 PM   #728
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He's claiming that the kid was on top of him beating his ass.
After he disobeyed law enforcement, after he stalked the kid, after he hunted down the kid, after the kid fled, after he got out of his car with a firearm, after he confronted and scared the kid, after he initiated physical contact. Then he gets hit and claims self defense when the only other witness is dead. Pretty convenient.
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sorry guys....I know it's annoying when someone jumps in obviously not having read thru the whole thread.....(me)....
I'm supposing it's already been discussed that supposedly his girlfriend was on the phone with him the whole time and claims to have an audio recording of the altercation?
I believe she tells him to run, and he tells her that he's not going to run. He's just going to walk fast or something like that.
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Old 03-21-2012, 02:29 PM   #730
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I believe she tells him to run, and he tells her that he's not going to run. He's just going to walk fast or something like that.
yeah I was mistaken. just read the convo with the girlfriend is NOT recorded. very unfortunate. I did just listen to the 911 audio of the lady that called. good Lord! WHO is screaming for help?!? is it Z or Trayvon?

I live in MO. I carry. if you jump on me and are beating my ass....and I then pull my gun out and kill you....I'm gonna go to jail for a ****ing looooong time!
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Old 03-21-2012, 02:31 PM   #731
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After he disobeyed law enforcement, after he stalked the kid, after he hunted down the kid, after the kid fled, after he got out of his car with a firearm, after he confronted and scared the kid, after he initiated physical contact. Then he gets hit and claims self defense when the only other witness is dead. Pretty convenient.
You are making up shit.

He didn't disobey law enforcement. They never told him not to follow the kid. They told him that the police didn't need him to follow him.

He didn't stalk the kid and hunt him down. He followed him on a public street in the guy's own neighborhood.

There is zero evidence that Zimmerman initiated physical contact, either.

Again, Zimmerman is a POS. Don't turn this into something it's not, though. Nobody benefits from pretending the guy broke into the kid's house and slit his throat in his sleep.
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I live in MO. I carry. if you jump on me and are beating my ass....and I then pull my gun out and kill you....I'm gonna go to jail for a ****ing looooong time!
What makes you think that?
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What makes you think that?
Common sense?
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Its not about playing devil's advocate. It's about figuring out what a jury is going to decide. I doubt the court just strings him up without a trial. In fact, I'd be willing to bet they even let the guy have a defense attorney.
I get it, Saul. In the beginning of the thread I was advocating for the guy to get a fair trial, because I had faith that the right decision would be made. The longer it goes without an arrest, and when terms like witness tampering and obstruction of justice get thrown into the fray it makes me think that maybe our legal system isn't going to get one right and it kind of pisses me off.

Hell, even if he goes before a jury and is acquitted I wouldn't even be that pissed, at least they tried. But he kind of has to get arrested here, he tells the 911 dispatcher that the kid is running. That tells me right there he chased the kid, who was just trying to get away from him. That's enough for an arrest and to let the jury sort it out with all the evidence laid out before them.
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