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Old 03-08-2012, 11:50 AM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 03-21-2012, 02:54 PM   #736
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Does this guy deserve to get raped by a pineapple - yes.


But some of you guys are insanely misinformed on self-defense.
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Old 03-21-2012, 02:55 PM   #737
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You are making up shit.

He didn't disobey law enforcement. They never told him not to follow the kid. They told him that the police didn't need him to follow him.

He didn't stalk the kid and hunt him down. He followed him on a public street in the guy's own neighborhood.

There is zero evidence that Zimmerman initiated physical contact, either.

Again, Zimmerman is a POS. Don't turn this into something it's not, though. Nobody benefits from pretending the guy broke into the kid's house and slit his throat in his sleep.
They told him they didn't need him to follow the kid and he said "okay". He lied. He is a liar.

You can't stalk and hunt someone down on a public street? Really? That's new. He stalked him and pursued when the kid ran. The kid was fleeing and presented no threat whatsoever.

He got out of his car with a loaded gun and initiated the altercation. He was the aggressor. You expect someone to believe that some scared kid, who is running between houses so he can get home as quickly as possible and get away from some lunatic stalking him in the dark rain, all of a sudden changes his mind and runs to the car? You think he drags the armed guy out of the car? Tells him his skittles are deadlier than the gun the guy is brandishing?
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Old 03-21-2012, 02:55 PM   #738
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Common sense?
Did I miss something? It looks like Frank was describing a pretty clear self defense scenario. Get jumped, guy beating your ass, then you shoot him. How is that not self defense?
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Old 03-21-2012, 02:56 PM   #739
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Did I miss something? It looks like Frank was describing a pretty clear self defense scenario. Get jumped, guy beating your ass, then you shoot him. How is that not self defense?
LOL. It's nuts, isn't it?


If you have a CCL, you have a clean record. If a guy jumps you to beat you up, more then likely he (or she ) doesn't.



I wonder what the judge will think?
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Old 03-21-2012, 02:58 PM   #740
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I get it, Saul. In the beginning of the thread I was advocating for the guy to get a fair trial, because I had faith that the right decision would be made. The longer it goes without an arrest, and when terms like witness tampering and obstruction of justice get thrown into the fray it makes me think that maybe our legal system isn't going to get one right and it kind of pisses me off.

Hell, even if he goes before a jury and is acquitted I wouldn't even be that pissed, at least they tried. But he kind of has to get arrested here, he tells the 911 dispatcher that the kid is running. That tells me right there he chased the kid, who was just trying to get away from him. That's enough for an arrest and to let the jury sort it out with all the evidence laid out before them.
I agree with all of this.
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Old 03-21-2012, 02:59 PM   #741
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After he disobeyed law enforcement, after he stalked the kid, after he hunted down the kid, after the kid fled, after he got out of his car with a firearm, after he confronted and scared the kid, after he initiated physical contact. Then he gets hit and claims self defense when the only other witness is dead. Pretty convenient.
911 is not law enforcement. They are not cops. They are trained to tell people to back the **** off. Had a lady hit my parked car while driving drunk and I jumped out and drove after her.

911 told me to go home and I ignored them. I wasn't gonna be out a bunch of dough because some glorified call center worker tells me to go home.

I'm not addressing anything else in the quoted post but the bolded part.
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Old 03-21-2012, 02:59 PM   #742
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Bull shit.


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Look it up.
Where would I look something like that up?

I'm thinking most fist fights that end in a shooting death don't favor the shooter in a court of law.
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Old 03-21-2012, 03:01 PM   #743
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They told him they didn't need him to follow the kid and he said "okay". He lied. He is a liar.

You can't stalk and hunt someone down on a public street? Really? That's new. He stalked him and pursued when the kid ran. The kid was fleeing and presented no threat whatsoever.

He got out of his car with a loaded gun and initiated the altercation. He was the aggressor. You expect someone to believe that some scared kid, who is running between houses so he can get home as quickly as possible and get away from some lunatic stalking him in the dark rain, all of a sudden changes his mind and runs to the car? You think he drags the armed guy out of the car? Tells him his skittles are deadlier than the gun the guy is brandishing?
I'd rather talk about what happened here rather than your pretend scenario. Sorry
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Where would I look something like that up?

I'm thinking most fist fights that end in a shooting death don't favor the shooter in a court of law.
Being jumped and having someone beat the shit out of you is a LOT different then a fist fight.
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Black guy with prior arrest record sees a 13 year old blonde hair, blue eyed white girl walking in his "development". He follows her slowly from a distance. She notices and runs between houses to get to her friends house. Before she reaches the house the guy comes pulling up in his car, running up to her and demanding to know her name and who she is. She turns to kick him in the shins or nuts, and he pulls a gun and shoot her in self defense. All is okay in the world of Saul Good.
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Black guy with prior arrest record sees a 13 year old blonde hair, blue eyed white girl walking in his "development". He follows her slowly from a distance. She notices and runs between houses to get to her friends house. Before she reaches the house the guy comes pulling up in his car, running up to her and demanding to know her name and who she is. She turns to kick him in the shins or nuts, and he pulls a gun and shoot her in self defense. All is okay in the world of Saul Good.
that is not what happened. focus on the facts available instead of making up some bullshit scenario to fit your position.
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So Zimmerman chooses to confront someone he believes is a criminal. He pursues the suspected criminal that is running from him, even though police have told him its not necessary.

And then wants to claim self defense?

Absurd.
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So Zimmerman chooses to confront someone he believes is a criminal. He pursues the suspected criminal that is running from him, even though police have told him its not necessary.

And then wants to claim self defense?

Absurd.
Agree, but how is that the same scenario that Frank described?
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Old 03-21-2012, 03:18 PM   #749
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So Zimmerman chooses to confront someone he believes is a criminal. He pursues the suspected criminal that is running from him, even though police have told him its not necessary.

And then wants to claim self defense?

Absurd.
That scenario is.


But not this one:

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I live in MO. I carry. if you jump on me and are beating my ass....and I then pull my gun out and kill you....I'm gonna go to jail for a ****ing looooong time!


You were saying?
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