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Old 03-08-2012, 11:50 AM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 03-22-2012, 10:52 AM   #871
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that's interesting. I've been carrying for....maybe 6/7 years...so I took a class a long time ago. did you take a course recently?

our instructor made it very clear, no matter how clear cut the situation seems, you kill someone, there's a chance the jury won't see it your way. that sucks, but that's the way it is.

we were taught...don't pull it out unless you're ready and willing to kill someone. putting it so bluntly....it's a sobering thought.

I don't believe I'd have shot that kid....but....if he was beating me down so bad that I was truly afraid he was gonna kill me....if I thought I was gonna be beat unconscious....I guess I'd have to...

what a sickening story. I think a lot of it boils down to....WHO was screaming for help? they will find out.
I took it in 2011, so a little more recently than you. Our instructor told us the same exact thing about you will definitely end up before a jury. He said the second you pull the gun out your life is no longer in your hands, its in the jury's. He even said that if he was carrying and was mugged, he would gladly just give the mugger his wallet if he thought it would make him go away (no reason to be a hero).

But my initial problem with your post was that it seemed to me that you were saying if you get jumped and shoot a guy who is beating your ass that you will be going to jail because the law says so. Instead I think you assume that any jury is going to automatically convict you of murder. I tend to think that any good defense attorney will be able to explain that the law was on your side, and hopefully you have some eye witnesses to corroborate your story that you feared for your life.
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Old 03-22-2012, 10:52 AM   #872
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We thought for sure it was going to be a fox, bobcat or a small coyote and layed out appropriate traps for those animals. We were stunned by what it turned out to be but it made sense he didn't fall for any of the traps. Coons are smart like that, you've got to go to some lengths to disguise a trap, hide the human scent, to get one to fall for it.
I always thought that all you needed to do was put one in a garbage can. They seem to be in to those.
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Old 03-22-2012, 10:54 AM   #873
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I have relatives in Illinois. don't go there often....but last time I did I checked to see if it was a state in which I could travel with my weapon. I could...if the damn thing was unarmed in a lock box in the trunk - ammo up front. totally retarded state. they may have a stand you ground law...but last I knew they don't want citizens walking around armed.
I'm no expert but I think the IL law is referring to an in home invasion. Some states have extended the stand your ground laws to not only in your home, but any place where you have legal standing to be at that time. Also, deadly force doesn't have to be delivered with a gun.
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Old 03-22-2012, 11:02 AM   #874
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But my initial problem with your post was that it seemed to me that you were saying if you get jumped and shoot a guy who is beating your ass that you will be going to jail because the law says so. Instead I think you assume that any jury is going to automatically convict you of murder. I tend to think that any good defense attorney will be able to explain that the law was on your side, and hopefully you have some eye witnesses to corroborate your story that you feared for your life.
yeah I feel you. your other post worded it nicely....once you pull that trigger...you life IS in the hands of a jury. scary.
I do understand that I wouldn't surely go to jail....but the chance is certainly there....even if I did what I felt was justified.
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Old 03-22-2012, 11:18 AM   #875
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Maybe someone can help link the info as I have not found it.

His roll in the the neighborhood watch forbaids him from having a firearm from what I read.

Since he was a volunteer and disregarded their rules does that mean the community hoa is now on the hook for when this goes to civil trial?

Wonder if he has moved out of the neighborhood yet.
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Old 03-22-2012, 11:46 AM   #876
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Why is it presumed fact by so many of you that the young man instigated the violence?
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Old 03-22-2012, 12:01 PM   #877
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Typical. This white **** should be lynched.
Did you guys look at the mug shot of the shooter? His last name is Zimmermann but he looks Hispanic to me.
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Did you guys look at the mug shot of the shooter? His last name is Zimmermann but he looks Hispanic to me.
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Maybe someone can help link the info as I have not found it.

His roll in the the neighborhood watch forbaids him from having a firearm from what I read.

Since he was a volunteer and disregarded their rules does that mean the community hoa is now on the hook for when this goes to civil trial?

Wonder if he has moved out of the neighborhood yet.
HOA members are more likely to give him a medal and let him park two cars in the driveway at the same time.
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Why is it presumed fact by so many of you that the young man instigated the violence?
Duh, because he was the black one.
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I have to say...my intial feelings about this case have changed some what . Does Zimmerman see a white kid and react the same way...its highly doubtful. This is not about black on black crime ( Which by the way gets little or no media coverage , innocent black and brown kids are kidnapped, and gun downed all the time you rarely hear about it just is what it is ) itís about an INNOCENT CHILD being gun downed by an OVER ZEALOUS VIGILANTLY . Is Zimmerman a racist , I donít think he is from what some of his black neighbors(who he welcomed to the community) have said, and the fact that he mentored two black youth(racist generally donít do that ). What I think happened is he saw a young black male and a hoodie, and the stereotype kicked in and he thought the kid was up to no good. The fact that the police botched it up and refused to give Zimmerman an toxicology test ( a test which they did give Trevon) the fact the PD department did not follow up with the neighbors or eye witness..the fact that the PD department just readily assumed Zimmermann was in the right...has pissed alot of people off. The bottom line is the guy should be in Jail. He killed a CHILD. Zimmerman was told to not follow him and he did...bottom line, he needs to do jail time, the PD department needs to be investigated for how they handled this case, and this needs to never happen again. People of our generation have fewer issues with race than previous generations. Allot white guys grew up watching the Cosby show, Living Color, listening to Hip Hop lol just like a lot of black , brown and yellow brothers grew up watching friends and Seinfeld and listing to rock lol The moment we elected Obama, I think this country turned a huge corner. I think the fact Hilary and Obama were thought to be the front runners in the 2008 election says allot about how Quickly America has become less focused on race and gender..I mean itís just been a little over 40 years sense DR King had to march for the rights of people of color and now look where we are at...amazing. The Zimmerman case and others including the white kid who was attacked in KCMO recently by a group of black kids (which hopefully they get charged for hate crimes when they're caught) just is a reminder that we are still a work in progress as a country
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man I'll tell ya what. that hot blond with the short hair....the witness....I saw another interview yesterday and she said something that made me think.....DUH! last I knew authorities were going to do voice analysis to determine who is screaming for help. the blond gal says....it's simple....there was crying, then there was a gun shot, then there was no more crying. she said if it was Zimmerman who was crying, he woulnd't have immediately stopped after the gun shot. she makes a good point. makes me think that even if Zimmerman did take a beating, it seems that he had the upper hand at the time he fired (the kid was crying) and shot him anyways???
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man I'll tell ya what. that hot blond with the short hair....the witness....I saw another interview yesterday and she said something that made me think.....DUH! last I knew authorities were going to do voice analysis to determine who is screaming for help. the blond gal says....it's simple....there was crying, then there was a gun shot, then there was no more crying. she said if it was Zimmerman who was crying, he woulnd't have immediately stopped after the gun shot. she makes a good point. makes me think that even if Zimmerman did take a beating, it seems that he had the upper hand at the time he fired (the kid was crying) and shot him anyways???
If Zimmerman is screaming for help because heís getting his ass whooped, as has been claimed, that wouldíve stopped with the gun shot too.
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Did you guys look at the mug shot of the shooter? His last name is Zimmermann but he looks Hispanic to me.
Ugh.

Hispanic is not a 'race'. Charlie Sheen is hispanic, and he's totally white.

I think what you mean is "He looks like he's part mexican (though obviously he inherited the last name from a white person) so he's not actually white"

It's this stupid type of 'one drop rule' thinking that keeps racist ideas so prominent.
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Ugh.

Hispanic is not a 'race'. Charlie Sheen is hispanic, and he's totally white.

I think what you mean is "He looks like he's part mexican (though obviously he inherited the last name from a white person) so he's not actually white"

It's this stupid type of 'one drop rule' thinking that keeps racist ideas so prominent.
You seem to be the one using the one drop rule. Since Zimmerman is not black, he is white, and thus white people need to answer for his crime.
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