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Old 03-08-2012, 12:50 PM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 03-23-2012, 03:09 PM   #946
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I am sorry this kid is dead, seriously but the best way not to get shot or hurt is not put your hands on somebody else...


Very sad this kid had to die to find this out.
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Old 03-23-2012, 03:14 PM   #947
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Old 03-23-2012, 03:16 PM   #948
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(3) A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.
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Old 03-23-2012, 03:16 PM   #949
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Plus if you are delivering vital blows that could cause death to me or someone else, I could legally shoot you
This was a kid who was outweighed by 100 pounds. I doubt there were deadly blows being landed. Is there evidence on Zimmerman's person, as surely there would be from such 'vital blows. Wouldn't he have needed medical treatment, if so? Wouldn't he have wanted his injuries documented if there were any?
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Old 03-23-2012, 03:18 PM   #950
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(3) A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.
So basically, the kid was within his rights to defend himself against this nutball.
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Old 03-23-2012, 03:18 PM   #951
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I really wish this kid didn't have to die and it's very sad...


I wonder where he took the bullet
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Old 03-23-2012, 03:20 PM   #952
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(3) A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.
We already know it is an absolutely moronic law. One that, in cases such as this, can be a license to kill.
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Old 03-23-2012, 03:20 PM   #953
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This was a kid who was outweighed by 100 pounds. I doubt there were deadly blows being landed. Is there evidence on Zimmerman's person, as surely there would be from such 'vital blows. Wouldn't he have needed medical treatment, if so? Wouldn't he have wanted his injuries documented if there were any?
No No, you have to believe you could be killed or seriously injured...

I was not there, they said he had grass stains on his back and a busted nose or lip.... Also heard he was reaching in his waistband and pockets...
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I really wish this kid didn't have to die and it's very sad...


I wonder where he took the bullet
Pretty sure it was the chest.
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Old 03-23-2012, 03:22 PM   #955
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No No, you have to believe you could be killed or seriously injured...

I was not there, they said he had grass stains on his back and a busted nose or lip.... Also heard he was reaching in his waistband and pockets...
Which is probably exactly how Trayvon felt. Only, he didn't have the luxury of carrying a gun or likely knowing that Zimmerman was.
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Old 03-23-2012, 03:23 PM   #956
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We already know it is an absolutely moronic law. One that, in cases such as this, can be a license to kill.

Sorry ... I am 100% for the law and I am thrilled it's on the books....

How do you feel about me being able to ventilate your ass if you kick my door down in the middle of the night without even having to ask you why you are here?
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Sorry ... I am 100% for the law and I am thrilled it's on the books....

How do you feel about me being able to ventilate your ass if you kick my door down in the middle of the night without even having to ask you why you are here?
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Sorry ... I am 100% for the law and I am thrilled it's on the books....

How do you feel about me being able to ventilate your ass if you kick my door down in the middle of the night without even having to ask you why you are here?
I think that's fine. Not so sure about your right to ventilate people who just happen to be walking down your street.
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Old 03-23-2012, 03:26 PM   #959
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Which is probably exactly how Trayvon felt. Only, he didn't have the luxury of carrying a gun or likely knowing that Zimmerman was.
Sorry the kid is dead but if he out weighed the dude by 100 lbs I am sure he could also run 15mph faster too.


The way I think it happened was the watchman confronted the kid and the kid hit him in the face and was beating him and thats when he got shot but as I said, I was not there, if this watchman just shot him, he should go to jail...
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Sorry ... I am 100% for the law and I am thrilled it's on the books....

How do you feel about me being able to ventilate your ass if you kick my door down in the middle of the night without even having to ask you why you are here?
That is fine. There is a huge difference between defending your private home/property and being able to gun people down in public and using "I felt threatened" as a defense. Where is the defense for those of us who don't carry guns around?
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