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Old 03-08-2012, 12:50 PM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

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Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 03-23-2012, 03:26 PM   #961
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So basically, the kid was within his rights to defend himself against this nutball.
Good point. I think the kid had more than an airtight defense. He even tried to retreat when he wasn't obligated to.

If the kid had been armed - he was facing an enraged man much bigger than him who was armed with a gun, and chasing him around in a truck and on foot, the kid tried to retreat and couldnt - he could have killed him and it been justifiable.
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Old 03-23-2012, 03:27 PM   #962
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I think that's fine. Not so sure about your right to ventilate people who just happen to be walking down your street.
If they are not committing a felony against me why would I want to shoot someone?
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Old 03-23-2012, 03:28 PM   #963
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If they are not committing a felony against me why would I want to shoot someone?
Are you serious with this?
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Old 03-23-2012, 03:28 PM   #964
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That is fine. There is a huge difference between defending your private home/property and being able to gun people down in public and using "I felt threatened" as a defense. Where is the defense for those of us who don't carry guns around?
Your best defense would be to keep your hands off people...
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Old 03-23-2012, 03:28 PM   #965
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That is fine. There is a huge difference between defending your private home/property and being able to gun people down in public and using "I felt threatened" as a defense. Where is the defense for those of us who don't carry guns around?
If someone breaks into your house, I agree. It's basically just a public service.
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Old 03-23-2012, 03:29 PM   #966
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If they are not committing a felony against me why would I want to shoot someone?
I don't know, I doubt you'd be out driving around following them for no reason, then getting out of your car to chase after them for no reason, then shooting them for no reason. That's something a paranoid crazy person does.
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Old 03-23-2012, 03:29 PM   #967
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Are you serious with this?
I always carry and I can't think of a single time I have thought about shooting someone. Strange huh?
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Old 03-23-2012, 03:29 PM   #968
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Your best defense would be to keep your hands off people...
So those of us who don't feel the need to carry a gun on our person need to be willfully submissive to those people who do carry guns?

Welcome to the land of the free!!
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I always carry and I can't think of a single time I have thought about shooting someone. Strange huh?
Great. Can you now guarantee us the other several million gun owners will behave in the same fashion?
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Old 03-23-2012, 03:31 PM   #970
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Telling the dispatcher that "they" always get away and then disregarding their instructions to let the police handle it doesn't make it sound like you have the best of intentions.
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Old 03-23-2012, 03:32 PM   #971
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I don't know, I doubt you'd be out driving around following them for no reason, then getting out of your car to chase after them for no reason, then shooting them for no reason. That's something a paranoid crazy person does.
I don't know this whole story because I am hearing 3 different versions... A racially charged version, a shooters family version and another one that falls somewhere in between...

If the kid initiated the attack and struck the guy and he was scared he was going to be seriously injured or die, he is justified to protect himself....


I just wish he would have shot him in the leg
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I don't know, I doubt you'd be out driving around following them for no reason, then getting out of your car to chase after them for no reason, then shooting them for no reason. That's something a paranoid crazy person does.
There is a very good reason for keeping an eye on strangers in a private community. In fact the reasons are so universally accepted that there is a name for those who perform this function: Neighborhood Watch.
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Great. Can you now guarantee us the other several million gun owners will behave in the same fashion?
Here is a hint. The people out there committing murder are not sitting through CCW classes and paying a few hundred bucks for the priv.
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Old 03-23-2012, 03:33 PM   #974
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There is a very good reason for keeping an eye on strangers in a private community. In fact the reasons are so universally accepted that there is a name for those who perform this function: Neighborhood Watch.
It's called Neighborhood Watch not Neighborhood Think You're A Cop.
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Old 03-23-2012, 03:34 PM   #975
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Great. Can you now guarantee us the other several million gun owners will behave in the same fashion?
Nope, can you guarantee me the several million ILLEGAL gun owners, Ice pick owners, switch blade owners , car bumper owners will?
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