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Old 03-08-2012, 11:50 AM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 03-23-2012, 02:59 PM   #1021
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Yes, there is. I think you're confusing the word "killer" with "murderer." There is a killer in this case. Anyway, your theory is that the kid approached the killer?
I don't know what happened that day but it seems to be universally agreed upon that the watch guy was following the kid first.
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Old 03-23-2012, 02:59 PM   #1022
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You and your grass stains. Maybe the dumbass fell when he was chasing after this kid. You act like this guy being dirty is a rock solid defense for homicide.
No, it's a given that there was a scuffle. What I'm wondering about is whether vailpass thinks that the kid was the one who approached the killer. I agree that the killer did nothing wrong by following the kid and he could do that to his little heart's content as a neighborhood watchman.
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Old 03-23-2012, 03:00 PM   #1023
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You and your grass stains. Maybe the dumbass fell when he was chasing after this kid. You act like this guy being dirty is a rock solid defense for homicide.
It not homicide the way the Law sees it or he would be in jail.


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Old 03-23-2012, 03:01 PM   #1024
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You and your grass stains. Maybe the dumbass fell when he was chasing after this kid. You act like this guy being dirty is a rock solid defense for homicide.
Stop.
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Old 03-23-2012, 03:01 PM   #1025
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Yes, there is. I think you're confusing the word "killer" with "murderer." There is a killer in this case. Anyway, your theory is that the kid approached the killer?
Did the kid look like he got into a fight? Sounds like the kid threw a hay maker, and knocked the guy down.
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Old 03-23-2012, 03:01 PM   #1026
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Why wasn't he with the invited guest then?
Because it is America and you are free to move about freely?
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Old 03-23-2012, 03:01 PM   #1027
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I don't know what happened that day but it seems to be universally agreed upon that the watch guy was following the kid first.
So you would consider the killer approaching the kid while carrying to be wrong, then?
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Old 03-23-2012, 03:02 PM   #1028
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So you would consider the killer approaching the kid while carrying to be wrong, then?
What are you talking about? Of course not.
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Old 03-23-2012, 03:02 PM   #1029
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1. So he followed this black guy around the neighborhood because...he was black I guess? I don't know if this black guy was doing anything to warrant suspicion of any kind.

2. The black guy tried to evade him because....it's scary to be followed by someone for no apparent reason?

3. The shooter and the black guy have some words that lead to a fight/struggle? Even though the shooter was told by 911 dispatchers to not approach him? Is this what happened?

4. The black guy punches him and then gets killed by gunfire?

Is this basically what happened? I haven't followed this story much at all and I'm just trying to figure out what happened. Because it seems the shooter had no reason to be suspicious of the guy in the first place, and even so, didn't need to follow and approach him, and didn't need to kill him. This reeks of unnecessary murder...
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I don't know what happened that day but it seems to be universally agreed upon that the watch guy was following the kid first.
I watched a stranger walking down the street at night just the other night. If I would have known that this shit is criminal I would have bailed.
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Old 03-23-2012, 03:03 PM   #1031
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Did the kid look like he got into a fight? Sounds like the kid threw a hay maker, and knocked the guy down.
How does this matter? The kid has a right to defend himself after being approached by a crazy fat **** aggressively questioning him. Did the kid approach the killer? Did he initiate?
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I'm pretty sure no one has voiced issue with this guy watching the kid.
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I watched a stranger walking down the street at night just the other night. If I would have known that this shit is criminal I would have bailed.
Did you approach him? Did you start questioning him? Were you carrying?
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I watched a stranger walking down the street at night just the other night. If I would have known that this shit is criminal I would have bailed.
If you wanna watch somebody, fine. If you wanna follow them in your vehicle while they're on foot, that's just not a good idea. I mean it's obvious that the person you're following might not appreciate it or be scared/threatened, whatever the person's intentions are.
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Old 03-23-2012, 03:06 PM   #1035
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I watched a stranger walking down the street at night just the other night. If I would have known that this shit is criminal I would have bailed.
Yep. White, black, hispanic, whatever if there is a stranger on foot it is a natural tendncey for people to keep an eye on them. Burglary, kidnapping, etc. is not committed by neighbors (maybe in the ghetto it is but other than that).

Why do people build gated communities with walls all around them?
To keep strangers out.
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