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Old 03-08-2012, 11:50 AM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 03-23-2012, 03:07 PM   #1036
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What are you talking about? Of course not.
So I have the right to go get a CCW and go around my neighborhood questioning anyone I feel might be suspicious? LOL!
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Old 03-23-2012, 03:07 PM   #1037
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Did you approach him? Did you start questioning him? Were you carrying?
What does carrying have to do with anything? I was in Sam's club the other day and there were four guys looking at the tequila on sale all with sidearms in full display. People carry all the time.
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Old 03-23-2012, 03:07 PM   #1038
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If he flat ass cold blooded killed a 17 year old black kid then why the **** is he not in jail?


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Old 03-23-2012, 03:08 PM   #1039
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So I have the right to go get a CCW and go around my neighborhood questioning anyone I feel might be suspicious? LOL!
Why do you think CCW means you aren't allowed to talk to people?
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Old 03-23-2012, 03:08 PM   #1040
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So I have the right to go get a CCW and go around my neighborhood questioning anyone I feel might be suspicious? LOL!
"Papers please! What is your business in this area?"
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Old 03-23-2012, 03:08 PM   #1041
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Yep. White, black, hispanic, whatever if there is a stranger on foot it is a natural tendncey for people to keep an eye on them. Burglary, kidnapping, etc. is not committed by neighbors (maybe in the ghetto it is but other than that).

Why do people build gated communities with walls all around them?
To keep strangers out.
Yes, watching someone is fine. Is that your point? I think we can all agree that simply following and watching someone is fine.
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Old 03-23-2012, 03:08 PM   #1042
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How does this matter? The kid has a right to defend himself after being approached by a crazy fat **** aggressively questioning him. Did the kid approach the killer? Did he initiate?
How do you know 1. that he was aggressively questioning him 2. that the kid didn't approach the killer 3. that he didn't initiate it


I think the thing that's lost on all this, is if the kid wanted to get away he must likely could have. How could a fat man catch up to a younger kid who was "walking fast?"
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Old 03-23-2012, 03:10 PM   #1043
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"Papers please! What is your business in this area?"
You have no problem with strangers walking aimlessly in your neighborhood?
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Old 03-23-2012, 03:10 PM   #1044
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What does carrying have to do with anything? I was in Sam's club the other day and there were four guys looking at the tequila on sale all with sidearms in full display. People carry all the time.
Because you then have a responsibility to actively avoid potential conflicts lest you take someone's life because you bit off more than you could swallow.
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Old 03-23-2012, 03:10 PM   #1045
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How do you know 1. that he was aggressively questioning him 2. that the kid didn't approach the killer 3. that he didn't initiate it


I think the thing that's lost on all this, is if the kid wanted to get away he must likely could have. How could a fat man catch up to a younger kid who was "walking fast?"
The reason that thing is lost in all of this is because people are more focused on the fact that someone who is allegedly completely innocent got followed and killed by some fat piece of shit who wanted to play neighborhood badass with a loaded gun.
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Old 03-23-2012, 03:11 PM   #1046
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How do you know 1. that he was aggressively questioning him 2. that the kid didn't approach the killer 3. that he didn't initiate it


I think the thing that's lost on all this, is if the kid wanted to get away he must likely could have. How could a fat man catch up to a younger kid who was "walking fast?"
That's why I'm asking vailpass whether he thinks the kid approached the suspect.
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Old 03-23-2012, 03:12 PM   #1047
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WHY IS HE NOT IN JAIL???????
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Old 03-23-2012, 03:12 PM   #1048
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Yes, watching someone is fine. Is that your point? I think we can all agree that simply following and watching someone is fine.
It is what happened afterward that is being contended. I am advocating for a rational gathering of those facts and a determination of whether to charge with a crime after the investigation is complete.

Not a stampede to 'string him up because a black kid is dead and we're mad as hell and we don't' care what the law says' which is what is being sought after by many.
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Old 03-23-2012, 03:13 PM   #1049
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You have no problem with strangers walking aimlessly in your neighborhood?
No I don't. What constitutes a "stranger" anyways? I feel like this is 3rd grade all over again. I don't have the faces of my several hundred neighbors memorized.
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Old 03-23-2012, 03:13 PM   #1050
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Hey STUPID the guy had grass stains on the back of his shirt and a busted face.....
And if he hadnt gotten out of his car to approach someone who had done nothing illegal in the first place... he never WOULD have gotten mussed up.

Do you really think he approached this kid in a calm, professional manner, after telling the dispatcher 'these n*****s always get away'.... yeah right, sure sounds like he just wanted to ask a few simple questions, maybe make a friend instead of an enemy, like a real professional would

Not sure why i'm wrapped up in this conversation like i am, i guess its just mindboggling that so many seem to be looking to excuse this guys obvious bullshit.

He made the situation worse with every decision he made, end of story.
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