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Old 03-08-2012, 12:50 PM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 03-23-2012, 04:21 PM   #1066
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Isn't the whole point of a neighborhood watch to watch and report for suspicious activity?

If you're telling me that you're sitting at home one night and some one who looks very different than the people you are accustomed to seeing walks by, you aren't going to keep an eye on him then I say you are priming yourself up for the ****ing.

Bet your ass I'm prepared for some Bullshit.
If I felt the need, I'd call the cops and let them do their job unless the individual decided to come onto my property. I'm not going to start following the person through the neighborhood.
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Old 03-23-2012, 04:21 PM   #1067
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Take a minute to research the difference between a sworn police officer and a call center worker.
You are trying to explain something to a ****ing moonbat
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Old 03-23-2012, 04:22 PM   #1068
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You are trying to explain something to a ****ing moonbat
Nah Pants is a smart kid.
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Old 03-23-2012, 04:22 PM   #1069
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He watched and reported. His job was done. The police told him to back off and it was going to be handled. He refused and decided to take the matter in his own hands. He was also carrying a loaded gun. Do the math, champ. The kid wasn't trying to break into anyone's home when he got shot.

You were there? Oh ok case closed
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Old 03-23-2012, 04:22 PM   #1070
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And if he hadnt gotten out of his car to approach someone who had done nothing illegal in the first place... he never WOULD have gotten mussed up.

Do you really think he approached this kid in a calm, professional manner, after telling the dispatcher 'these n*****s always get away'.... yeah right, sure sounds like he just wanted to ask a few simple questions, maybe make a friend instead of an enemy, like a real professional would

Not sure why i'm wrapped up in this conversation like i am, i guess its just mindboggling that so many seem to be looking to excuse this guys obvious bullshit.

He made the situation worse with every decision he made, end of story.
he clearly said assholes


here's the 911 call. It appears you haven't heard it.

http://www.collegenews.com/article/t...orge_zimmerman
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Old 03-23-2012, 04:23 PM   #1071
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**** the Dispatcher, who the **** is that person? You don't have to take orders from them, what if the guy attacked afterwards?
In that case, you do. You called 911 and reported the suspicious activity. Your job is done. You're not a police officer. You don't question anybody, you don't start shit, you have NO AUTHORITY over any other citizen. Having a gun, does not grant you the right to question people.
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You were there? Oh ok case closed
You don't have to be there to understand the situation. If you did, nobody would ever get convicted, you ****ing dumbass.
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Old 03-23-2012, 04:25 PM   #1074
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In that case, you do. You called 911 and reported the suspicious activity. Your job is done. You're not a police officer. You don't question anybody, you don't start shit, you have NO AUTHORITY over any other citizen. Having a gun, does not grant you the right to question people.
He didn't have to answer him he could have just ran but chose to fight and it got his ass killed.
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Old 03-23-2012, 04:25 PM   #1075
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He watched and reported. His job was done. The police told him to back off and it was going to be handled. He refused and decided to take the matter in his own hands. He was also carrying a loaded gun. Do the math, champ. The kid wasn't trying to break into anyone's home when he got shot.
No. This kid wasn’t breaking into anyone’s home. But if you’d have read through the topic you’d know that home break-in’s are apparently an issue in this particular neighborhood, which probably played a part in why Zimmerman was suspicious of a hoody wearing stranger.
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OK, so what if everything plays out as it did, only Trayvon gets the upper-hand in the scuffle and kills Zimmerman, possibly with Zimmerman's own gun. Trayvon is definitely immediately arrested and charged with murder, right?
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Old 03-23-2012, 04:27 PM   #1077
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OK, so So what if everything plays out as it did, only Trayvon gets the upper-hand in the scuffle and kills Zimmerman, possibly with Zimmerman's own gun. Trayvon is definitely immediately arrested and charged with murder, right?
Did Senor Zimmerman have the upper hand?
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Old 03-23-2012, 04:27 PM   #1078
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OK, so So what if everything plays out as it did, only Trayvon gets the upper-hand in the scuffle and kills Zimmerman, possibly with Zimmerman's own gun. Trayvon is definitely immediately arrested and charged with murder, right?

Yup because he initiated the fight by throwing the first punch (if thats what happened of course)
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Old 03-23-2012, 04:28 PM   #1079
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He watched and reported. His job was done. The police told him to back off and it was going to be handled. He refused and decided to take the matter in his own hands. He was also carrying a loaded gun. Do the math, champ. The kid wasn't trying to break into anyone's home when he got shot.

The police dispatch said we don't need you to follow him. They didn't explicitly say back off for one and for two I don't know the time frame between when that was said and the altercation took place.

My second point the opening to the 911 call is "weve had some break ins in the area and there is a strange guy with something in his hands looking all around"
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Yup because he initiated the fight by throwing the first punch (if thats what happened of course)
How does anyone know this? Zimmerman is dead and Treyvon states he was attacked.
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